Oil Catch Can working

[fraz91]

Hi Chris,

I can drop through after work some time this week (whenever's convenient). I've got a bluetooth scanner so can help out with any "home-tuning" you wish to partake in

To be honest though, I'd contact MRT and question them about what to do. They'll have a better idea of what's causing the issues and where to go from there. Glad to hear the provent's at least getting the oil out

[snowman]

It could be doing a relearn which happens sometimes. Ecutek tunes can change rail pressures and as a result you may hear more injector rattle at times.

does that mean i need to go back to MRT and have it flashed back to what it was or is this likely to keep happening? i dont mind it blowing a bit of smoke as long as its not oil smoke and only from excess fuel.. maybe i should up the boost a little to match the fuel

anyone in western sydney with a scanguage tool that can plug into my car for a few minutes so i can get a boost reading? happy to shout a few beers for the help.

cheers

chris

where are you dude? place your suburb in the location section for this exact reason.

i have a scanguage. no beer required.

if you do have excess smoke it would pay to increase boost to pull your temps down a little.

[melba]

I have a provent, only thing I've found in the drain hose is water after 5 months, is this right?

[dan.batto]

So did mine for a while, but now I'm getting the oil!

[gauci204]

It could be doing a relearn which happens sometimes. Ecutek tunes can change rail pressures and as a result you may hear more injector rattle at times.

does that mean i need to go back to MRT and have it flashed back to what it was or is this likely to keep happening? i dont mind it blowing a bit of smoke as long as its not oil smoke and only from excess fuel.. maybe i should up the boost a little to match the fuel

anyone in western sydney with a scanguage tool that can plug into my car for a few minutes so i can get a boost reading? happy to shout a few beers for the help.

cheers

chris

where are you dude? place your suburb in the location section for this exact reason.

i have a scanguage. no beer required.

if you do have excess smoke it would pay to increase boost to pull your temps down a little.

sorry, im in Badgerys Creek. i think i have updated it now. i was thinking along the same lines, but i want to check what it is pushing out, incase it is the turbo starting to go (maybe why im getting so much oil in the provent hose).

also, has anyone else opened the tap on their provent hose whilst the car is running? i did it the other day and it had a fair amount of pressure behind it, is that normal? i didnt think it would have much if any pressure behind it.

i dont know how the oil is getting through the provent and into the throttle body, as there was only a few inches of oil in the hose, its not like it can back up and flow in the hose. i thought the filter on the provent was good for more than just a few thousand kms?

has anyone else with a provent that has had oil in their hose, also found oil in the throttle body after a while? i had been checking the throttle body since installing the provent and it was dry until now. is the filter just due for replacement, or have i got some other issues?

[Cowboy Dave]

Filter is supposed to last 100,000km isn't it? I think mine gets pressurised a bit too as I get oil leaks around my tap on the drain hose, no matter how tight I do up the little hose clamp I have securing it.

Any chance your hoses are on the wrong way around on the provent? I know I found the little arrows a bit hard to see once it was installed and in shadow. Might be one way for you to get oil in the wrong place.

Reminds me I should check mine as the dealer removed it last service and might not have put it back in correctly.

[gauci204]

CD, i checked the provent again today incase i had muffed it up, but it has been installed correctly. i removed the filter element again today to check it, but this time i actually touched the filter and when pressed slightly, you can really see the oil within it so maybe my cars breathing a little heavier than it used to . the hose had oil in it again today, probably about 10ml. im going to get a new element from western filters tomorrow hopefully, and ill see if fitting it cleans up my smoking issue.

if it does fix it, im going to have to investigate the oil issue a bit more, as having that much blow by in a motor with only 100k on it isnt good.

[mattz]

Gauci.... I am having exactly the same symptoms you are.... Haven't checked the throttle body tho. Sounds identical though.
I will pm you my phone no. So we can compare findings.
I have been given a phone no for a good diesel specialist that my mechanic uses and highly recommend when it comes to turbos..... I will ring them today.

[cogdoc]

A Provent inner fliter is good for about 30,000k, but they recommend up to 50 plus. I'm finding 30k is a good estimate. The filter will look oil soaked after a few thou, as this is the part that has to "fill up" first before it starts collecting. There will always be a bit of blow through, no filter like this is 100%.

Any ECU tune that gives you more power invariably gives you more fuel and boost, which leads to greater combustion pressure. Combustion pressure CAUSES oil blowby, as the pressure getting past your rings presurizes the crankcase. You now have more power in the form of combustion pressure pushing on your pistons, thus you now have more oil blowby.

Different cars will have differing oil blowby, comes down to luck of the draw for assembly and mainly on how HARD you ran her in!

[900canoes]

I am looking at getting the Provent 150 can as an alternative to the 200. Has anyone obtained or used a 150? It is good for up to 200Kw according to the brochure and it takes up less room than the 200.

The 200 seems too big and bulky for my engine bay.

[Cowboy Dave]

Interesting. Hadn't heard of the smaller ones til this post.

Full brochure looking thing here: http://pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Oiling/HBSKAwHey0s.pdf

[mattz]

Hmmm... Looks like a good option for those with limited room.
Are they and more importantly their replacement cartridges available. Locally?

[900canoes]

Are they and more importantly their replacement cartridges available. Locally?

I'm waiting for a reply from Western Filters on that question.

[kingy]

I opened up my provent because there has been no oil in the drain tube since i installed it awhile ago. At the bottom of the element it seems there should be a hole there for the oil to drain down but mine hasnt been drilled out. Should there been a hole at the bottom of the element?

Cheers

[mattz]

When you say "element" do you mean the filter cartridge? If so no.....there is no hole.
There is a hole at the bottom of the can though.
Have you done many kms since the install, because it does take a while until the filter is saturated with oil and It starts to go down the drain hose.
Edit: spelling.

[Froggy]

I've done 10,000 k's and only collected 10mls tops. Sounds pretty normal.

[kingy]

When you say "element" do you mean the filter cartridge? If so no.....there is no hole.
There is a hole at the bottom of the can though.
Have you done many kms since the install, because it does take a while until the filter is saturated with oil and It starts to go down the drain hose.
Edit: spelling.

Yeah the filter cartridge, sweet thought it wasn't draining down cause there was no hole in it. I've probably down 10000km's with it and its almost saturated.

cheers

[Sky Miner]

Curious if the provent can be cleaned successfully, i gave it ago....after 6000k's there was a bit of oil accumulating on the bottom of the filter and getting to the stage of saturation



So with a little bit of essence i reckon it came up pretty good,not brand new looking' but plenty of crappy sludge came out of it prolly could have waited till 10k....but i was bored so i gave it a clean, im happy with the results.

[Sky Miner]

Sooo i wanted to install a secondary fuel filter but couldn't find a spot big enough to put the thing
the only place i could see this was where the provent was located (same as everybody elses) and
to keep it as close to the fuel sorce as posible.....out came the provent and in went the fuel filter
no prob their.

So where to put this lump of a filter...the only place i could see with enough room was here
simply extend the hose's a little and a steel Z bracket for strenth to hold it in place' I got plenty of
room behind it about 15mm and being steel its not gonna flex.
Gotta be happy with that

[Magoo]

Is it too late to fit one up now that I have 140ks on my rig or is it still worth it ???

[Cowboy Dave]

The engine will still be pushing oily vapour and carbon into your manifold so probably still worth doing, but also you'd want your manifold cleaned to get rid of what's already accumulated in there.

[Magoo]

Thanx mate I will do the can and what's your view on doing manifold as a home job ?? I have removed the egr and top manifold and cleaned them a while back and they were terrible with build up but an easy removal and fit up , wasn't sure about bottom manifold if it was a bit hard or not

[odie602r]

are you still in warranty? If so, get it done under that (can't remember when the kms pass what's covered by warranty)

[Magoo]

They said it was out of warranty and wanted $1200 to replace map sensor and top manifold with the updated one . He said it was a good starting point for low boost , I replied with for 1200 it needs to b more than a starting point so that's when I went home and cleaned the top section myself and that made a big difference with the boost coming on a lot earlier than 2000rpm

[Snooozy]

this is what I found when I opened my catch can yesterday

it may only be a cheapy with stainless steel scourers to filter, but it works quite well.
It is also very easy to clean out with just a bit of turps & I can reuse the scourers.

click for full pic




I drained about 100ml in total

I only travel short distance, so that would be the reason for the tan coulored oil (moisture build up due to not reaching working temp)

I'm sure glad that goo is not entering my inlet