Poor Brake Performance

[helicoptercow]

thats some scary stuff... glad everyones alright

[bitsashitsy]

The ABS sensor loom has broken too so not sure if its a failure of the brake line or if something has damaged/weakened it. The ABS light only came on when the brakes failed so I am struggling to understand how it has happened.

[borngeek]

thats like someone took to it with a sword... did something flick up and cause this debris of some kind???

[Steane]

:shock: I'm glad everybody is alright! I think it's time I get onto ENZED about braided brake lines. I've been hearing a few stories now about poor quality brake lines on the Triton but nothing like this.

I'll buy some off you

[SEJ GLX-R]

That is some scary sh1t glad all is ok.

thats like someone took to it with a sword... did something flick up and cause this debris of some kind???

Spot on BG the brake line wouldn't be totally separated and the ABS wiring ripped off if just the hose let go........Something has hit that for sure.

Triton owners........ For the love of god, please don't get caught up in this like the bent chassis thread

[Homer]

Agree...hard to fathom how the ABS line could go out in sympathy with the brake line without a hit.

Bloody bad luck that it happened Bitsa, but very lucky you guys come out of it in one piece!

Also if you have a mechanic or there is a brake specialist nearby it my be cheaper to go to them..

[bitsashitsy]

Looks that way but we were doing like 70k's on black stuff at the time so I think it was damaged earlier, but for something to hit the brake line on both sides of the hub and no impact marks on anything else I can find? seems very unlikely. The ABS light only came on when the brakes failed so impact did not take out the ABS line at the time the brakes failed. I've been 4 wheelin for 25years never even hear story's of this happening.

[Longranger1]

Looks that way but we were doing like 70k's on black stuff at the time so I think it was damaged earlier, but for something to hit the brake line on both sides of the hub and no impact marks on anything else I can find? seems very unlikely. The ABS light only came on when the brakes failed so impact did not take out the ABS line at the time the brakes failed. I've been 4 wheelin for 25years never even hear story's of this happening.

I hope it isn't a case of someone not liking you very much.... .

[bitsashitsy]

Well called the dealer today and the lines are being replaced under warranty. Close inspection you can see they have burst outward so I'm happy. I am going to get some braided lines made up ASAP just for my own piece of mind. FYI we have just hit 104k's but this is the first case like this that my dealer or Mitsy have had. I don't think there is a safety issue. Don't want to incite any panic. At the end of the day I still love my Triton.

[helicoptercow]

good to hear is resolved and fixed free of charge.

[ag9111]

Hydraulic fluid under pressure could have sliced through the ABS cables easy as.

[bitsashitsy]

Hydraulic fluid under pressure could have sliced through the ABS cables easy as.

Thats what I've been told also. Think thats what dealer assumed has happened.

[borngeek]

although a 'first case' (and lets face it most 'negative' issues with tritons show up here) it worries me a bit....

if your brake line exploded and sliced the abs line on its way that is serious and hope it is a one off!

I hope mitsu grab this failure and have a look at the very least it could be nothing it could be something....

//definately no kerfuffle please this first we hear of it!!! and hope the last.....

[sierra]

Well called the dealer today and the lines are being replaced under warranty. Close inspection you can see they have burst outward so I'm happy. I am going to get some braided lines made up ASAP just for my own piece of mind. FYI we have just hit 104k's but this is the first case like this that my dealer or Mitsy have had. I don't think there is a safety issue. Don't want to incite any panic. At the end of the day I still love my Triton.

If the hose was hit by something it could only burst outward.
The chance of it bursting in 2 places at the same time from structural failure would seem to be astronomical I would have thought?

[4wd26]

The Mitsubishi service advisor looked hurt when I asked if they had any problems with heavy braking in the ML tritons.
He reckons the brake pedal sinks when the ABS is triggered, as the pressure is relieved from the locking brakes. When I mentioned the lack of ABS pedal thump and he said you don't get it with the triton system.
I left it at that, for now.

When I got home I swapped the wheels from front to rear and noted the data on the brake hoses.
All the same, front and rear - 'Technomei IJ Malaysia 08/07 1/8'
Don't Malaysia make the Proton Jumbuck etc based on Mitsubishi models?

I would be interested in comparing my front brakes to the 4x4 if anyone has the specs?
300mm x 28mm vented disc. Calipers marked Tokico 88L OE M88.

I also adjusted the rear drums. The offside one was right back and had never been adjusted, the other side moved a long way too. Now the pedal barely moves and the hand brake goes 3 clicks max instead of about 30.

Just checked the spare set of calipers and brake lines I have here.
Brake hose data the same as yours only 08/08
In the 2007 spec sheet it has the same brake data across the range in regard to brakes/ callipers

[Homer]

Definitely doesn't need to be blown out of proportion at this stage for sure...but...

I'm still not 100% convinced. IMHO the dealer was probably doing the right thing by his customer.

If the line really has burst of its own accord there will be a recall...they can't have that happening in even one case - and it must be reported and followed right up the chain.... I mean they recall petrol caps if only 3 don't close properly and fuel splashes out.
Look at how many recalls Toyota has had for often very minor issues in very low numbers...

Bitsashitsy, If you really believe it did just "fail", I would suggest you approach the dealer again and ask what is being reported and done about this particular incident. I know it is a pain, but in my opinion there is a duty of care in this situation.
Without being belligerent I would suggest that you insist you want to view the written reports and communications to and/or from MMA on this matter until an outcome is reached.

This is also keeping in mind another members rear brake lines "swelling" under pressure

I mention duty of care and suggest 'bitsa' should pursue this matter (privately) right up the chain because I'm wondering what would happen if there was a brake line failure on one of the vehicles fitted with the brake upgrade and somebody was injured or killed...same with all lifted vehicles...rear brake line "stress". What about people with sliders who have disturbed, moved or relocated brake line brackets or lines....
There is possibly a reasonable chance a court would find at least some negligence or contribution in at least one of the above cases...would cost a bit to defend in any case...

Not getting carried away or inciting anything, it's just something I would do - privately

[bitsashitsy]

Wow this has blown out of proportion, like I said before I don't think there is a safety issue, I can't explain how it has happened and the mechanics can't either. FYI when we go to collect the car the dealer has withdrawn the offer to cover it under warranty and charged us stating it was impact damaged. This is just as impossible to explain how it could impact the line either side of the hub without contacting anything else in between. Anyway no need to speculate or panic this is just a freakish thing I guess.

Homer, I stated my belief that there is no safety issue and just updated what was being told to us, if I felt there was a quality issue that would manifest into serious brake failure I would do more than what you suggest.

Sierra, As above I can't explain it even if damaged it should fail in 1 point only.

My only gripe with the dealer is that they said they would cover it then retract that when we collect it, that's crap and they have lost my business.

The lines are soft no doubt about it I am replacing mine end of subject I will remove the pics to prevent any more speculation.

Just to add some facts about my Triton, last time offroad on new years day only time the line could of been damaged. My brakes performed more like Snowie's hence why I think upgraded lines are required & if they can be damaged so easily I want more peace of mind.

[4wd26]

Its crappy that they havn't covered you for waranty, that has left you little option but to pay top $$ for the replacement parts.

I actually have spares of the entire braking system (hydrolic lines and ABS sensors), as would wreckers.

please name the dealer.

[bitsashitsy]

Don't want to name the dealer and turn this against them, I did see you had that stuff & was going to contact you as I'm not that far from you but when they said it was covered I didn't bother.

[Homer]

That's poor form...if you knew it wasn't warranty you would have made alternate arrangements...at least could have.

26 are you going to do a measure and quote

[4wd26]

yes- plan at this stage is to get some quotes on upgraded original front brake lines.

I will get prices on better quallity ruber hoses and also braided lines.

I will look at also getting quotes on 1" longer rear lines asl well for those running big lifts/ extended shackles.

will post up pricing once this is done.

[Cowboy Dave]

Ultimate were going to look at this too at one stage? Have PM'd Brendan to see whether any progress was made.

[Raz89]

Hey guys

I just found this thread and read it with great interest as my Triton (Early 07) seems to suffer from the same symptoms as Snowy's. I have a GLX which doesn't have ABS (and I like that alot actually) I feel I have more control over it, I much prefer driving my ute without ABS in the mud on the farm when its raining rather than my old man's MN with ABS as I feel like I have no control over his ute, compared to mine, which he agrees with (he hates the ABS in the mud).

Anyways my Ute also has the same Front Brake rotor and pad upgrade as Snowy's does but I don't have braided lines front OR rear and on the bitchy I can't lock up my wheels no matter what, but as soon as I hit gravel or on slippery bitumen in the wet I can't stop them from skidding when I hit the b pedal hard. Which leads me to think that I may have a problem similar to Snowy where the lines are flexing/swelling under high pressure not allowing my brakes to perform at their full potential under strong braking which is a major concern. It would definitely put some demons to rest about my chance of rear ending someone or worse, playing pedestrian pinball if I could get some decent braking performance again.

In saying that I am very interested in a brake line upgrade if anyone does end up doing it, 26 or Ultimate. I would be willing to do some research for different options so we can compare a few products if you wanted as a mate of mine works at a place that do custom fit braided kits using parts from Brakequip (not sure if these are quality parts or not but will be looking into it ASAP, can be found here:- http://www.brakequip.com.au/braided-hoses) and I could see how much it would cost to get a few sets made up if people are keen for a second option.

Cheers
Raz

[hvac guy]

I've been pretty happy with the Duroshocks ...shows up alright on the test too...other than the right rear Although it has had compressors up to 1200kg's bouncing up and down in the back...enough to permanently cave in the tray floor...even with a hard liner

Here's a 12 cylinder jobby with a 180KW electric motor inside too that I just brought back from Noosa...a little bit of body roll on the roundabouts...



And yes a not too flattering background shot of the back of the factory....lasy b*stards

nice compressor playing with 4 of those at the moment in the city.

[trouble]

ok I have now had new front rotors and pads installed and rear shoes installed a bake fluid flush and now front braided brake lines and I still have poor brake performance. The ABS is still having trouble engaging.

These are all probs that snowie had and now fixed after fitting new front braided lines the question is why is my stopping performace still poor????

Help please!!!