Nitrous on a Diesel?

[amalinze]

First off, Yes Jamo, I am seriously looking at putting Nitrous on my car.

Secondly, This is not exactly a 4WD. This does not go off-road. If you don't know my car, then look in my garage.

I am seriously looking into putting Nitrous onto my 3.2L Diesel GLX-R.
Does anyone know where this can be done? By someone who knows what they are doing with Diesels? Anywhere in oz i don't care if i travel.
Does anyone know the price per lb of Nitrous?
This is for a fun factor then street drag racing btw.

The kit i am looking at only injects at full throttle, so gas is not wasted and in theory, because all the drive components are already loaded, saves them the shock of instant power.

I have looked into this on the net extensively and am sure i can do it safely, Not exactly legaly though. But i would like to talk to someone in oz before i decide to import a kit from the states.

Now the big Question. There was/is a member on here somewhere that has already put nitrous on his diesel but i cant seem to find him. Any one know who this is? i have searched the members for modifications and the posts for NOS, NITRO, NITROUS and cant find anything.

Any HELP/COMMENTS are appreciated, but limit them to NOT calling me a Dick. I already know that!

Thanks!

[daryn]

Dibs on passenger seat

Mate I have no idea who the member was, give chipit a call, tony will know stuff and borngeek will be your buddy.

[jop]

There used to be a kit around called a 'sneaky pete' which was pretty close to being hidden

Found it:
http://www.horsepowerinabox.com/HPIAB2/prod155.htm

[motoz]

There used to be a kit around called a 'sneaky pete' which was pretty close to being hidden

Found it:
http://www.horsepowerinabox.com/HPIAB2/prod155.htm

A mate uses this kit on his bike. Its pretty small though. It all comes down to how fast can you afford to go? Install a bigger turbo then a duel stage NOS system.

A 50hp squirt to spool the snail up then 100hp at WOT !!!

[ag9111]

I think it was Chris username "CCM" Maybe

[ultimate]

When I was in Thailand, one of the workshops was installing LPG injection kit and getting insane results at the drags (This was on top of turbo and other engine mods). As mentioned; speak to geek, tony or chip it. I sure they would like another vehicle to play with

[snowman]

I think it was Chris username "CCM" Maybe

Chris never went nitrous to my knowledge. he did go with a bigger IC though.

it was CCM, he left MRT and went freelance. he may still lurk, send a PM

[amalinze]

There was A member on here running Nos. If I recall he was from WA. Will search when I have time.

Thanks for the info, keep it coming if you have some. i will message geek ccm and such later on. I searched all the members and looked at all the ones that had WA as a location. i found nothing. I will be trying again...

Wheres Jamo? i thought he would have stopped by to laugh at me by now....

[Homer]

I think you can get better bang for your buck (relatively safely) with other mods. i'd look at Geek or Tony's posts for some advice.

BTW I never need nitrous to have a laughing fit at the diesel go fast wannabees

[borngeek]

There was A member on here running Nos. If I recall he was from WA. Will search when I have time.

Thanks for the info, keep it coming if you have some. i will message geek ccm and such later on. I searched all the members and looked at all the ones that had WA as a location. i found nothing. I will be trying again...

Wheres Jamo? i thought he would have stopped by to laugh at me by now....

Love your style mate

I have looked into NOS and to be honest the risks are fairly high but the gains are huge. You have the v1 DMS chip so your results will be limited as you will not be able to add enough fuel to really see gains. The NOS will just exit the exhaust.
The v2 chip and expensive software will enable a huge gain. You still need to either block your rail limiter or stuff I cant explain on the public site...

When you fire off NOS if you dont change timing AND fuel delivery you will waste it. The systems need to integrate so you can do a 1/4 mile and have it perform optimum and then swap back.

Most reading this will be thinking WTF am I on about.

Anyway, I have recent upgraded my turbo and am working with chipit to get a pretty significant gain on my 3.2. I have limited my posting to the plat lounge on this. I have my reasons I will PM

If you really keen we can do some full on stuff... To start off (so we not drilling your intake post IC) may be time to talk about petrol or water injection? I am leaning water and Tony is leaning petrol (unleaded, gas or methanol)

The turbo upgrade is a no brainer for you....

[Homer]

Ahhhh....I love this site

[trickydevil]

How about a twin turbo setup. Little one to get rid of lag and a big stuffer for the top end. Mabye an injector on the air intake like they use to do on the vl commodores. I wonder if the ford falcon 4l Bosch injectors would fit in the tri.

I have never looked at the tri's injectors. Has me thinking now. Bigger injectors, more boost... I now need a bigger wallet.

[chaser]

I think i meet you at work one day? I think i done the ball joint recall?

I been researching this for most of the day, i think that maybe LPG or methanol injection may get better results?

Just as a reminder tho the last 3.2 i replaced at work the block was nearly 3-4k for memory (block, crank and pistons) and a complete motor was close to 15K dont quote the figures it was a long time ago! But the pistons and rods look very strong so they should take a fair amount of punishment before they start to brake.

// have u hard piped Ur intercooler piping yet? This alone should eliminate some lag? Not sure what you want from Ur truck? How far are you willing to go? Cause there is heaps of more stuff you can do? Bigger valves, custom grind cams maybe even a custom tappet cover with adjustable cam gears... find someone to make you a higher pressure scv? Tweek the fuel pump for more pressure? Dose anyone actually make full aftermarket diesel ecu's? I could go for hours but when do you think enough will be enough? Cause clearly u don't care about warranty anymore

[borngeek]

I think i meet you at work one day? I think i done the ball joint recall?

I been researching this for most of the day, i think that maybe LPG or methanol injection may get better results?

Just as a reminder tho the last 3.2 i replaced at work the block was nearly 3-4k for memory (block, crank and pistons) and a complete motor was close to 15K dont quote the figures it was a long time ago! But the pistons and rods look very strong so they should take a fair amount of punishment before they start to brake.

// have u hard piped Ur intercooler piping yet? This alone should eliminate some lag? Not sure what you want from Ur truck? How far are you willing to go? Cause there is heaps of more stuff you can do? Bigger valves, custom grind cams maybe even a custom tappet cover with adjustable cam gears... find someone to make you a higher pressure scv? Tweek the fuel pump for more pressure? Dose anyone actually make full aftermarket diesel ecu's? I could go for hours but when do you think enough will be enough? Cause clearly u don't care about warranty anymore

go chaser!!

We can almost eliminate lag on the stock turbo with a bit of wastegate adjust, turbo control and stopping the swirl valve. Have to clip MAP to do... will limp otherwise. (overboost error)

The fuel pump can produce more pressure but the rail limiter will bleed unless you block it/recalibrate it.
When going extreme there are some other things you can do to the pump to get some extra fuel pressure.
Warning... You blow one and mits want $6k+ for a new one.... dont worry you can buy a written off car for half

This is how lame the amount of fuel the common rail see's without a limiter in it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoOH_UTDFhY
Not dangerous

bigger turbo in


rail limiter.......

[Tony]

Geek has covered the basics. I would say there is no way your stock pump injector set can deliver enough fuel to use nos effectively, (There are ways to overcome this) As your aware we cant just inject more diesel into the plenum as a petrol. May as well sick ya crank in a 400ton press
How ever yes, a member from here did/has tried it.

Keeping my developments in platinum area when I'm ready. But yes, petrol injection will be my limit as the other forms of chemical tuning are to awkward for me to sustain over time and long k's Water metho is an issue as need distilled water. Not easy to come by in larger quantities. Water spray over I/C has its benefits when upping the boost on long runs. This can be a very crude low pressure set up. Raw water is fine with a filter.

Enough from me.... follow Geek. he will lead the way

[amalinze]

Geek has covered the basics. I would say there is no way your stock pump injector set can deliver enough fuel to use nos effectively, (There are ways to overcome this) As your aware we cant just inject more diesel into the plenum as a petrol. May as well sick ya crank in a 400ton press
How ever yes, a member from here did/has tried it.

Keeping my developments in platinum area when I'm ready. But yes, petrol injection will be my limit as the other forms of chemical tuning are to awkward for me to sustain over time and long k's Water metho is an issue as need distilled water. Not easy to come by in larger quantities. Water spray over I/C has its benefits when upping the boost on long runs. This can be a very crude low pressure set up. Raw water is fine with a filter.

Enough from me.... follow Geek. he will lead the way

thanks for every ones comments.... still waiting on Jamo's though.... i have started talking to geek, about what to do. about the money thing, since i was diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor last year the specialists took away every thing that was fun for me. NO dirt bikes, NO skydiving, NO drinking (which means not going out much). As you can see these were expensive hobbies and i need something to spend money on and keep me sane. Plus it not like i'm shortening my life expectancy here!

Due to where i work i do have unlimited access to distilled water (battery water) in large quantities, (shut up Jamo), but i will have to read up on it. I just have yet to grasp the concept that water in a diesel engine is anything but BAD.

Water spray is out, as this car does not see long trips and heat up enough for this mod to be benificial. (its 3 years old with less than 15000 on it.) No chaser, my car has not broken anything, yet..... it only head to mechanics for servicing and once to mitsu for a recall.

I am still liking nos but the only reason i may not do it is the fines for having it. i am very closely looking into whats illegal for it. The rest of my defects are not that bad compared to nos. Heck, you can even be charged by worksafe for carring an oxidiser without he yellow plaque on the vehicle! Oh well back to study.

thanks again!

PS i threw my warranty away years ago.

[fridgie]

[censored] me!! Extremely sorry to hear about that mate, but is also awesome to hear your still pluggin away trying to make things interesting

You know, if you need things to spend money on....I could use a front locker

Your a crazy bloke by the sounds of it....[censored] love it!!!

[motoz]

Just rip the donk out and throw in an a 1UZ FE.

[trickydevil]

That's not good to hear. Atleast you have a good distraction. A mate down here is in a similar predicament. He went all out on his 100 series cruiser. Lifted twin locked, rebuilt 4.2 and tweaked. He now spends his time exploring every chance he gets.

Go hard

[trickydevil]

Just Had a thought. Mabye look at monster tritons setup. That rig is nuts.

[snowman]

blimey Amalinze, some posts just make you go, arhhh....sorry to hear.

but as you seem to be getting on with it i can tell you that MRT do a water mist injection system. it is of no real benefit unless you are pushing the limits of boost (and fuel obviously) as the water cools the intake air and keep higher boost temps down.

look here for more info on the system they use as the Australian/NSW ? distributor. As i said you would be looking at MRT ECU tune, boost controller and exhaust before this would be beneficial. good luck.

http://www.aquamist.co.uk/

[JamoGLXR]

Now that I have stopped laughing but in all diplomacy

Our tritons were one similar but now are total contrasts. We buy a vehicle to suit a purpose. Mine is to cart dritbikes to and from where ever to somewhere else yours amalinze is for what ever you want to do. My comment is I don't think ill use it but if I balance on that line of sticking it to a work mate and getting a ride in a diesel weapon..

Sincerely Jamo

P's must b something with our section at work bad heads and bad hearts..

[amalinze]

Now that I have stopped laughing but in all diplomacy

Our tritons were one similar but now are total contrasts. We buy a vehicle to suit a purpose. Mine is to cart dritbikes to and from where ever to somewhere else yours amalinze is for what ever you want to do. My comment is I don't think ill use it but if I balance on that line of sticking it to a work mate and getting a ride in a diesel weapon..

Sincerely Jamo

P's must b something with our section at work bad heads and bad hearts..

Calm down Jamo, you know what happens when you get excited. (and we cant have that now. At least not without a camera handy.) (hmmm... i think i left us open with that comment....)

About time you got to this thred! btw, know where i can buy a 4wd?

i'll wait for your shake of head on tuesday.....

back to the problem at hand. After reading up on the legalities of having operational nitrous in NSW on a street car, and the fines totaling $10,000 plus for being caught, i am thinking of the bigger turbo, methanol injection route at this stage. still room for nos later on though, just have to hide it VERY well, including how to purge the lines without people seeing! Time to talk to chipit!

[amalinze]

Methanol Injection, egr blank, bigger turbo, chipit chip, all on order. While i'm at it i'll replace all the intercooler piping and clean out my intake of soot. Then its off to the dyno!

[borngeek]

Methanol Injection, egr blank, bigger turbo, chipit chip, all on order. While i'm at it i'll replace all the intercooler piping and clean out my intake of soot. Then its off to the dyno!

Let us know how you go!