MN Traction control

[Tony]

what was the fault?

They said it had to do with an electrical dry joint to the ABS modulator Ive been in a lot of water and rough roads so my guess is a connector has failed

[Homer]

Well this thread worked well for you mate! Would have been a shame driving around for the next 12 mths muttering about the poor 4x4 performance.

Worth the subscription price on its own

[Tony]

Well this thread worked well for you mate! Would have been a shame driving around for the next 12 mths muttering about the poor 4x4 performance.

Worth the subscription price on its own

Be happy to subscribe but cant with paypal I have PM'd Dave to make some other arrangement a wile back but got no response

[Homer]

Just joshing ya mate, I remember your post about it.

Handy thing this forum though!

[dozerguts]

tried driving up a bank to get a wheel off the ground after work tonight with the asc button turned off and traction control worked great, most impressed, actually works smoother and quicker than the disco's system, wheel doesn't have to spin as fast before brake is applied to that wheel.

[Tony]

tried driving up a bank to get a wheel off the ground after work tonight with the asc button turned off and traction control worked great, most impressed, actually works smoother and quicker than the disco's system, wheel doesn't have to spin as fast before brake is applied to that wheel.

Two happy out comes of this thread

[Homer]

And a few jealous ML guys that have seen them in action....

Far and away the best car in class

[Tony]

And a few jealous ML guys that have seen them in action....

Far and away the best car in class

Yep, I was looking at others including disco 4 and ended up here as more practical, better value for money and TC sold it I have no regrets even if it has an OX cart rear end I got baged on the Landy forum for my choice of ride but then many came forward and said it was a good choice for a Japper

[Homer]

I got baged on the Landy forum for my choice of ride but then many came forward and said it was a good choice for a Japper

And much quicker trips too - you wont have to keep doubling back to pick up the bits that fall off.

[Tony]

I got baged on the Landy forum for my choice of ride but then many came forward and said it was a good choice for a Japper

And much quicker trips too - you wont have to keep doubling back to pick up the bits that fall off.

As a Rover owner and the best of them I'll take that on my chin
One thing that drives me nuts though is the awful plastic they used. Any thing you tamper with breaks
Getting off topic sorry. So I'll leave it here. If any interest in my strange Rovers Ill start a thread in an appropriate place.... Probably not on this forum

[dozerguts]

tried mine out again today and did not work does anyone know on the glr, if tc should work in 2wd and is there a light that flickers on when tc is doing its thing like it does on the landrover ? my asc light flashes when turned on but have not seen a tc light.

[RHKTriton]

Do the rovers still leave a load of water on your carpet when you open the fresh air vents?

More seriously, has anyone checked into retro of traction control to ML models - not worried about stability but traction shouldn't be too hard?

[Tony]

tried mine out again today and did not work does anyone know on the glr, if tc should work in 2wd and is there a light that flickers on when tc is doing its thing like it does on the landrover ? my asc light flashes when turned on but have not seen a tc light.

Give it some more right foot
Not sure on the glr but my GLX-R definitely comes on in 2wd with the ASC on of off. I purposely crossed it up on a bank tonight to find out for my self. Even tried reverse Takes a bit of right foot in 2wd to make it move, but did seem to work. Much more effective in 4WD though, even with the center diff open.

[dozerguts]

i thought i better read the manual and there is 2 lights a tc and a asc light my tc defenantly never comes on looks like i will have to take it back to the dealer next day off. any one in melbournes western suburbs no of a good one?

[Marty V]

Just wondering if anyone knows how the traction control on the mn works? I have a glr and one of the major reasons for buying a triton was because of tc, after owning a discovery i know how good it can work in the bush. The disco just grabs the spinning wheel with the brake keeping you moving, where the triton takes control of the throttle (backing off, slowing you down and losing momentum). If you turn off the asc button does it also turn the tc of? if so its system is a little disapointing.

I've used Tritons extensively on and off road and you're right and wrong...in 2H its operating like a traditional system...Try a range of cars and you'll find that on road they can be quite power restrictive...they are supposed to wheel brake then cut power...off road in 4L I found it to be very effective...Sometimes you need to apply some power to make it work but I've been able to crawl through some pretty tough spots with only very light throttle input that vehicles without ATC would really struggle with...I've had clear air off the ground on diagonal wheels and kept going without much hassel...

ASC is on when in 2H and 4H but automatically disengages in 4L...If you manually turn it off in 2h or 4h it will automatically re-engage at 80kms...You can only disengage ATC if you have a factory diff lock activated...and then its off all together...

[Marty V]

ASC only activates with understeer and oversteer...or front / rear sideways action...

where ATC is based on forward wheel spinning...ATC uses the ABS wheel speed sensors front to rear to work out if there is a difference and if there is it then activates on the faster spinning rear (in 2H on road) to keep the speed the same as the fronts...first brakes then power cut...

[dozerguts]

ASC only activates with understeer and oversteer...or front / rear sideways action...

where ATC is based on forward wheel spinning...ATC uses the ABS wheel speed sensors front to rear to work out if there is a difference and if there is it then activates on the faster spinning rear (in 2H on road) to keep the speed the same as the fronts...first brakes then power cut...

good information thanks marty, you say that it measures the front to the rear, does the triton or any other traction control system measure from left to right as well.

[dozerguts]

not that it matters but my book said that asc comes back on automatically at 120kmh

[Marty V]

ASC only activates with understeer and oversteer...or front / rear sideways action...

where ATC is based on forward wheel spinning...ATC uses the ABS wheel speed sensors front to rear to work out if there is a difference and if there is it then activates on the faster spinning rear (in 2H on road) to keep the speed the same as the fronts...first brakes then power cut...

good information thanks marty, you say that it measures the front to the rear, does the triton or any other traction control system measure from left to right as well.

Yes mate...left to right also...

[Homer]

Bump...just bumping this info for MN guys.

[ag9111]

Yeah played with the ASC off button and I don’t think it made much of a difference, if at all. The "Active Stability Control" is hooked up to a Yaw sensor mounted under the front of the console. It is "designed to improve the vehicle's stability by restraining its tendency to slip sideways" Straight from the manual that so not much use at slow speed in the bush

The manual also says to turn the ASC off if stuck. "The vehicle will then be easier to extricate" so sort of contradicts itself. Traction control is still active though.

When I was playing (testing) the other day, Ii wasn't using a lot of revs, unlike the guys with the LSD's. I was only using revs between 1500 and 1800 to see how it would crawl. Next time I will use a few more revs and see how that goes with the traction control.

So far I have worked out that I can get as far as any LSD ute using 1500 to 1800rpm when they have to use brute force and heaps of revs, throwing crap everywhere and risking breakage. Next step is to work out how best to use the TC to get even further.

I've been driving 4WD's for about 20 years and I am learning heaps at the moment. The traction control is a whole different ball game and Ii will admit, I don’t think I have got the best out of it yet.

I think the main issue with the traction control is it only has one mode, ON. If we compare it to the latest generation TC systems they have modes for snow, mud, rocks, etc, etc. I believe the TC system is calibrated for on road use so it is OK on hard surfaces but crap in mud.

When I was coming home from the Lithgow trip it was raining pretty heavily. The Bells Line of Road is pretty twisty and it had water rivulets running across the road. A couple of times the back stepped out on me as I was pushing pretty hard to get home. The Traction/Stability control had it all under control before I had time to really react. Works very well in those sort of situations

So to sum up, I'm still out on a decision on the ability of the traction control as a 4WD enhancement. The difflock on the other hand is Gold. Best money you can spend apart from tyres

[Tony]

Well, I may as well put my other two cents in. I don't have the factory locker Big mistake for what we use the MN for. Should have waited in hind sight.
As agg has pointed out the TC does very little under light throttle. I have found it takes a few seconds to come in well ( lots of tyre spinning) and the more you need the harder you have to boot it. A pain in higher speed mud driving as goes ape sht with the ASC off. The ASC does come in at low speed I can assure you and will stop progress. Totally useless off road as cuts torque/revs.
Disclaimer.... Off road only and at your own risk. I have had to disable the TC for farm use in the mud. Goes heaps further and less fuss. Doing this will stop the ABS working so be careful. I cant tell you what I've done but removing the two relays in the black box labeled ASC will have a similar effect. You will get a light but clears it self when all put back.

When my credit card recovers I'm getting lockers. Yes two. The CV's will suffer in rocks but should work well in mud.

[gamblor]

off road in 4L I found it to be very effective...Sometimes you need to apply some power to make it work

I agree here, Important thing to remember don't sit back and expect TC to always carry you through on a magic carpet crawl it'll need the stick at times. "Yar!"

Also I just want to say I got the Factory rear diff and I'm not unhappy with it became a believer as soon as I got to use it. (albeit I'm bias cause i bought one) IMO i think it's very legit option to have and would rather have it then not have it. Even if you didn't off road in this country anything can happen, you could be merging lanes in peak hour traffic then BANG! Your crawling through a coral reef with 100 crocs chasing you down. I'll want a triton for that one.

[ag9111]

[quote="gamblorEven if you didn't off road in this country anything can happen, you could be merging lanes in peak hour traffic then BANG! Your crawling through a coral reef with 100 crocs chasing you down. I'll want a triton for that one.[/quote]

Mate dont know were you you live but I want to be a part of that

[chaser]

Im just going to put this hear.

The abs/traction control in tritons is crap and it simply dont work. I have had many cars doing stupid things with all these systems turned on and they really dont work!They dont cut power they just apply the brakes and hope for the best i think lol.....