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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby chick_magnet_0001 on Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:53 pm

untill it goes into limp mode and its got the power of a smart car joe :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby GLX-R Alex on Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:09 pm

chick_magnet_0001 wrote:untill it goes into limp mode and its got the power of a smart car joe :lol: :lol: :lol:


Untill it chucks a limp home with a manifold full of carbon.. You decide.. :geek:
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby dbigrig on Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:40 pm

definately more responsive and oil cleaner with plate in but mine had a flat spot/surge @ 2300rpm to 2800rpm, was pouring smoke out the back and engine had a more pronounced knock to it
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby SkIp on Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:11 pm

Which photo in this thread shows the best place to blank the EGR on a 3.2?

I noticed some blank it back near the intake and others near the exhaust manifold...

Which is most beneficial?

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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby borngeek on Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:26 pm

SkIp wrote:Which photo in this thread shows the best place to blank the EGR on a 3.2?

I noticed some blank it back near the intake and others near the exhaust manifold...

Which is most beneficial?

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where it meets the exhust manifold near the firewall drivers side on ML3.2DID. no point letting gasses go beyond this point 8-)
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby SkIp on Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:31 pm

Yeah that was my thought aswell!

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btw, oil catch can should be done at same time or can it wait a week?
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby sierra on Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:49 pm

SkIp wrote:btw, oil catch can should be done at same time or can it wait a week?


It's been dumping oil into the intake for 3 years, another week wont make much difference. :(
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby SkIp on Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:52 pm

haha good point mate! hate to see what it looks like in there! probably like space :shock:

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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby SkIp on Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:20 pm

Just blanked it off using S/S, who put all those engine components so close to the bolts! :lol:

Just a quick question, where does all the carbon go now that it is blanked? will it build up in the exhaust manifold or will it swirl back out through the turbo/exhaust?

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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby sierra on Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:52 pm

It wont even go in there because there's no flow to draw it in.
Like a house on a hot day with one window open, you need another one open on the other side of the house to make the air flow through.
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby SkIp on Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:34 pm

Just test drove after the install, very noticeable difference in performance!
I lost power down low when I went to the bigger 265/75 tyres but this mod has brought the power back like when I was running the 245/75's!

All I need is the oil catch can and it will be sweet!

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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby Brett05 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:59 pm

my service manager told me he had 4 Triton's out there on trial with the EGR blanked off, this is where he told me to do mine (first photo). Also said it can be blanked off on the other side (second photo)....that's where i did mine.

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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby SkIp on Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:48 pm

In the second photo, where that pipe comes across from right to left, at the end on the left hand side near the firewall is where I blanked mine... shit of a spot to get too!
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby borngeek on Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:40 pm

what skip said! you are hunting 'too far up the chain'... hit the source! :mrgreen:
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby sierra on Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:48 pm

borngeek wrote:what skip said! you are hunting 'too far up the chain'... hit the source! :mrgreen:


I would blank it off as close as possible to the EGR valve without restricting it's movement. Just to make sure there's no pressure or vacuum effect from the cooling chamber when it opens.
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby borngeek on Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:04 pm

sierra wrote: I would blank it off as close as possible to the EGR valve without restricting it's movement. Just to make sure there's no pressure or vacuum effect from the cooling chamber when it opens.


thats a interesting point there sierra! you could be very right :?: :!:
how many have blocked at the end and what are they getting re limp modes?

mine blocked at the source is so infrequent that it doesnt bother me so much... (still buying a chip but mainly for the extra power...)
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby SkIp on Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:01 am

Dont tell me I have to take it out and put it 100mm away! :roll:
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby reeldreamer on Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:18 am

I blocked my EGR off after having a 3" mandrel bent exhaust and k&n filter installed. To be honest I can't really notice any change in the performance! The exhaust obviously makes a big difference and the air filter goes really well. I have noticed though on a cold start she does roll a bit more coal then before......I think this may have more to do with the free flowing exhaust! I do feel better about driving the car with the EGR blanked off as reintroducing dirty air in the intake doesn't make much sense to me!

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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby Try-it-on on Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:28 pm

What are the fines if you're caught with it blanked off.
I was told last night they are around $25K and that they'll find it at a roadside inspection if they stick the sniffer on the exhaust.
Is there any real chance of actually being caught, and what is the fine?
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby sierra on Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:56 pm

Try-it-on wrote:What are the fines if you're caught with it blanked off.
I was told last night they are around $25K and that they'll find it at a roadside inspection if they stick the sniffer on the exhaust.
Is there any real chance of actually being caught, and what is the fine?


It's a valve that opens within an rpm range under certain conditions.
They would have to drive it with the sniffer in place and be able to replicate those conditions or pull the system apart to find the blank.
No catalytic converter or an empty one would be easy to pick up though, I would have thought?
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby Kegsy on Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:14 pm

Try-it-on wrote:What are the fines if you're caught with it blanked off.
I was told last night they are around $25K and that they'll find it at a roadside inspection if they stick the sniffer on the exhaust.
Is there any real chance of actually being caught, and what is the fine?


On a road side inspection (rta setup which is rare), if they find something a miss they will issue you with a defect and an inspection request for an AVIS or EPA test, or both.

An inspection from the Cops won't reveal anything, and most of the time they don't know what they are looking at. They are trained to look for specific items "hoons" generally install.

If picked up at an RTA setup, you then take the car to either location for the test by a certain date. Usually more than enough time to get the plate out.

Cat delete on the other hand is an on the spot fine, which is a max of 25K and is super easy to spot. Don't be removing a cat in any circumstance.
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby Try-it-on on Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:17 pm

I definitely have no intention of removing a cat.
I'm not sure I'm even going to do the EGR at present. At the price Alex charges, I've ordered one anyway, they're cheap as chips anyway, and can make my decision further down the track when the time comes.

Thanks for the information though. Much appreciated.
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby fridgie on Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:39 pm

Mate, just found this from a NSW factsheet:

Tampering with anti-pollution or vehicle
emission control systems
At the time of manufacture or importation into
Australia all new vehicles are required to meet
minimum standards for pollution prevention.
Changing these anti-pollution devices is illegal and
can compromise vehicle performance and possibly
affect warranty.
Anyone who removes, disconnects or impairs an
anti-pollution system fitted to a motor vehicle is
guilty of an offence. They can be issued with on
the spot fines or can be prosecuted. Customers
who request that you alter such devices are asking
you to break the law. L ikewise the fitting of non
standard engine management chips and/or exhaust
systems is an offence.
Owners of vehicles that have had anti-pollution
devices removed or altered are liable for fines or
prosecution as are the people who completed the
work. Fines for these offences go up to $1 million
for corporations and $250,000 for individuals.
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby fridgie on Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:45 pm

Seems a bit over the top though, especially the bit about the engine management chips :shock:
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Re: Closing the EGR Valve

Postby Kegsy on Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:48 pm

wow, looks like the fines have gone up again. Good enough reason to leave everything alone.

As far as the exhaust goes, your allowed to change the exhaust as long as it contains the same amount and position of cats, mufflers and resonators. And obviously complies to sound limitations and all sensors are connected where fitted OEM.

You are not allowed to remove or reposition any of the above items, if you do it must be engineered.
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