I think you would be the best person to comment on how it has been mate. You will always get criticism just like ive recieved abit from what i have done but i like to put it down to jealousy haha if you can mate take some pictures of the kit installed and if you have the old one still how the difference between them94MANI wrote:hahaha, you blokes.. i posted my truck up and included the specs of it and it included the diff drop kit nick gave me to test and not one of you blokes batted an eye lid..
Once you see and install the gear, you would laugh at the quality of the mitsubishi components you pull out to replace with chargers kit.. the quality of chargers sold me alone, when i compared the stock from the karmann i thought to myself, how the hell can mitsi put this shit on, no welds just heat pressed and it was already buckled to [censored] from past trips..
If anyones interested on my experience with it, iv had it in for 3 months now you are more than welcome to ask away.
Build Thread in my Sig.
motoz wrote:It's a shame this thread is getting off the rails.
For years people have been complaining about the lack of options for the Triton. Sure there are a plethora of options for running 2" lift. Some people would like a bit more lift even though the standard geometry will only allow so much. Others want to run 2" lift yet still have full down travel
Finally we've had someone stick his hand into his pocket and bring something to the table. They've been a few false starts, some big noters who promised the world yet failed to even deliver a street map. Some manufacturers who said that its "not viable" the Triton is "too small a market".
Alas we have a product yet the forum seems to delve into the illegal jargon and posts based on hearsay info. This in my opinion just kills it for everyone. You don't see this kind of poo pooing of and of the EGR delete options being sprooked here.
If we keep these threads based on fact, if someone wants to buy one of these kits or go down the path of getting it approved on their vehicle then go for it. Document and post the process and let's get some creditability here.
From my understanding John C imported his own kit from Thailand. Similar to the one the infamous Skiddy had on his MN. The Karrman unit is a different item all together and although I haven't seen one in the fresh, really does look the goods.
FWIW a few of these younger guys are doing great things with these rigs. Some of the options for the rear end available now provide amazing flex on the Triton. I'd rather see well fabricated options available than some of the home hack jobs we've see posted online.
More fact, less fanciful fiction and opinion is in order.
charger265 wrote:I have stated the facts in many places..
Here will not be one of them as I no longer wish to be apart of a forum that manipulates content...
And allows members to target misguided information on one product but lets clear violations of the law slip with another (EGR resistor mod)
Thankyou for allowing me to have my say...
Im sorry but how would a diff drop affect the stability of a car? It lowers the diff that is all. Fair enough uca have potential but a diff drop does not.BillMcQuade wrote:charger265 wrote:I have stated the facts in many places..
Here will not be one of them as I no longer wish to be apart of a forum that manipulates content...
And allows members to target misguided information on one product but lets clear violations of the law slip with another (EGR resistor mod)
Thankyou for allowing me to have my say...
To be fair, an EGR mod, is illegal. The significant difference is; it doesn't have the potential to affect the safety or stability of the vehicle.
IMHO, people would be genuinely interested in a fully legal diff-drop.
I am well familiar with what it takes to get products engineered, and would be interested in what you have discovered. Perhaps instead of retreating into a defensive position and calling foul, you should state the facts as you see them. A well constructed argument, backed up by documented facts will clearly put the matter to rest. If people shoot you down, why would you care, if what you have to say is factual, it would be their loss.
BillMcQuade wrote:charger265 wrote:I have stated the facts in many places..
Here will not be one of them as I no longer wish to be apart of a forum that manipulates content...
And allows members to target misguided information on one product but lets clear violations of the law slip with another (EGR resistor mod)
Thankyou for allowing me to have my say...
To be fair, an EGR mod, is illegal. The significant difference is; it doesn't have the potential to affect the safety or stability of the vehicle.
IMHO, people would be genuinely interested in a fully legal diff-drop.
I am well familiar with what it takes to get products engineered, and would be interested in what you have discovered. Perhaps instead of retreating into a defensive position and calling foul, you should state the facts as you see them. A well constructed argument, backed up by documented facts will clearly put the matter to rest. If people shoot you down, why would you care, if what you have to say is factual, it would be their loss.
explorer.dave wrote::( Another wasted thread gone to the rails
Charger265, you stated early in this thread that you would keep us all up to date and informed of the progress, you didn't You allowed Black Sabbath (OP) to corrupt this thread and are now calling foul of this community for stating facts, as we know them, you could have chimed in at any time yet didn't.
Attacking Tony's EGR mod is simplistic at best, you have your own product, stand up and defend that without drawing others into a mixed discussion.
If you no longer want to be apart of this forum, good, go, but you will be back
FWIW l do hope you have success with your product, just getting a bit tired of this never ending diff drop crap.
triton_guru wrote:Im sorry but how would a diff drop affect the stability of a car? It lowers the diff that is all. Fair enough uca have potential but a diff drop does not.
Do you believe my modifications are legal? And let me tell ya i cut alot of these so called cross members out which are thin pieces of rubbish. The fact of the matter is regardless of whether they are legal or not they still sell extended shackles and lift kits higher than 2 inches. All it means is you have to spend the money yourself and get your car engineered. If you cant afford to do that then dont. My engineer had no problems signing off on the diff drop kit but i wanted to go down a different path but for him to say no problem says to me that hes not that concern about a little crossmemeber thats not doing much more other than holding the front diff.BillMcQuade wrote:triton_guru wrote:Im sorry but how would a diff drop affect the stability of a car? It lowers the diff that is all. Fair enough uca have potential but a diff drop does not.
Any changes to chassis or suspension components have the potential to affect not only the functionality of the ESC, but the overall dynamic of the vehicle. It would be simplistic to assume that you can make any change to a vehicle that doesn't have knock-on effects.
Note that I used the word "potential" in both posts. Until proven otherwise by an engineering signatory, the effects are unknown. The effects of chassis/suspension changes on the functionality of ESC are still a subject of hot debate. Some testing facilities have documented significant improvements to stability, when aftermarket equipment is fitted to certain vehicles. Others have shown significantly degraded performance.
I'm not trying to disparage anyone's product here, just pointing out that it is incorrect to compare a minor change to a non-safety related electronic component, with replacement or modification of chassis/suspension. Anyone with risk assessment/mitigation experience would realise this. More importantly, this comparison is not what the debate is about, an EGR mod will never be legal, whereas changes to the chassis/suspension have a process by which they can be put up for approval.
Once again; I feel that an approved, legal modification would be of great interest. It would be quite an achievement to get these modifications approved, as it would consume a large chunk of capital and time. If I had a product that met these requirements, I would be ready and able to produce the documentation, even if it meant opening myself up to inevitable derision. Some people will never be convinced, and that would be their loss.
I note that all these comments are being screen-shot, but I don't feel that these sort of thinly veiled threats do anything to further the discussion. There are people here that are willing to support a legal, quality product, and it would be churlish to rebuke this support by going down the conspiracy theory path.
triton_guru wrote:Do you believe my modifications are legal? And let me tell ya i cut alot of these so called cross members out which are thin pieces of rubbish. The fact of the matter is regardless of whether they are legal or not they still sell extended shackles and lift kits higher than 2 inches. All it means is you have to spend the money yourself and get your car engineered. If you cant afford to do that then dont. My engineer had no problems signing off on the diff drop kit but i wanted to go down a different path but for him to say no problem says to me that hes not that concern about a little crossmemeber thats not doing much more other than holding the front diff.BillMcQuade wrote:triton_guru wrote:Im sorry but how would a diff drop affect the stability of a car? It lowers the diff that is all. Fair enough uca have potential but a diff drop does not.
Any changes to chassis or suspension components have the potential to affect not only the functionality of the ESC, but the overall dynamic of the vehicle. It would be simplistic to assume that you can make any change to a vehicle that doesn't have knock-on effects.
Note that I used the word "potential" in both posts. Until proven otherwise by an engineering signatory, the effects are unknown. The effects of chassis/suspension changes on the functionality of ESC are still a subject of hot debate. Some testing facilities have documented significant improvements to stability, when aftermarket equipment is fitted to certain vehicles. Others have shown significantly degraded performance.
I'm not trying to disparage anyone's product here, just pointing out that it is incorrect to compare a minor change to a non-safety related electronic component, with replacement or modification of chassis/suspension. Anyone with risk assessment/mitigation experience would realise this. More importantly, this comparison is not what the debate is about, an EGR mod will never be legal, whereas changes to the chassis/suspension have a process by which they can be put up for approval.
Once again; I feel that an approved, legal modification would be of great interest. It would be quite an achievement to get these modifications approved, as it would consume a large chunk of capital and time. If I had a product that met these requirements, I would be ready and able to produce the documentation, even if it meant opening myself up to inevitable derision. Some people will never be convinced, and that would be their loss.
I note that all these comments are being screen-shot, but I don't feel that these sort of thinly veiled threats do anything to further the discussion. There are people here that are willing to support a legal, quality product, and it would be churlish to rebuke this support by going down the conspiracy theory path.
j think charger should sell his product as is because chances are people who buy it will be running higher than legal lifts and will have to get their car engineered regardless
Its on the owner of car
charger265 wrote:explorer.dave wrote::( Another wasted thread gone to the rails
Charger265, you stated early in this thread that you would keep us all up to date and informed of the progress, you didn't You allowed Black Sabbath (OP) to corrupt this thread and are now calling foul of this community for stating facts, as we know them, you could have chimed in at any time yet didn't.
Attacking Tony's EGR mod is simplistic at best, you have your own product, stand up and defend that without drawing others into a mixed discussion.
If you no longer want to be apart of this forum, good, go, but you will be back
FWIW l do hope you have success with your product, just getting a bit tired of this never ending diff drop crap.
Why should i keep a group of member informed when all they have tried to do is derail the product on other forums and because they were not getting anywhere and have now decided to bring it in house where you have control over the content...
I have already had a comical PM threatening to be banned for telling it like it is...
You have the right to your opinion so why can i? does the truth hurt?
I have no control over who posts here.. and if you ask the admins of this site i rarely if ever log on... I only received a txt msg saying take a look at NTN... the admins will be able to check IP address and login times to verify that i had nothing to do with this junk...
I was not attacking tonys product its a solid product and its be the most reliable product on the market.. If you read it correctly it was not the product i was bringing to attention it was the fact that the members here yourself included are biased in the way you allow products / mods to be portrayed on this forum...
The only reason this thread went off the rails is because one member started it up with a big post... "are diff drops legal?" "NO"
Im tired of the never ending diff drop crap too... the stiddy saga.. dobinsonins thailand sticker job... the whole thing is a joke so trying to get a quality product out there... Its damn hard...
Then to have a group / forum / member that appeared to go out of their way to cloud the legalities of the kits just adds salt to the wounds... so yeah.. it did drag me back out off the wood work...
The product is out there..
its going into cars... If it does not meet your fancy or safety concerns dont buy it...
But im telling you right now if it was not safe or legal i would not be putting my name to it.. just like i said early on... so dont try and tarnish my image or integrity
charger265 wrote:Members of this forum have set out from the start to discredit this product and have tried to tarnish my reputation.
The way content is manipulated and deleted when truths come out is just wrong... The actions of major members here are questionable with their motives and are biased to favoritism.
94MANI wrote:i cant wait to restart this thread in about 6 months after alot have been sold and most of you blokes have em fitted i have 80mm more travel than standard with the ultimate long travel kit, even brendan from ultimate was amazed at the kit.. ah well see you guys on the tracks!
charger265 wrote:Why should i keep a group of member informed when all they have tried to do is derail the product on other forums and because they were not getting anywhere and have now decided to bring it in house where you have control over the content...
charger265 wrote:I have already had a comical PM threatening to be banned for telling it like it is...
You have the right to your opinion so why can i? does the truth hurt?
charger265 wrote:The only reason this thread went off the rails is because one member started it up with a big post... "are diff drops legal?" "NO"
charger265 wrote:Im tired of the never ending diff drop crap too... the stiddy saga.. dobinsonins thailand sticker job... the whole thing is a joke so trying to get a quality product out there... Its damn hard...
charger265 wrote:The product is out there..
its going into cars... If it does not meet your fancy or safety concerns dont buy it...
triton_guru wrote:Do you believe my modifications are legal?
triton_guru wrote:Its on the owner of car
triton_guru wrote:I think we should be finding out how much an engineer would charge to engineer the diff drop. By doing what ive done ive broken a few adrs but one report and they all get waived so who ever is interested in a diff drop get your car engineered and get the lift and tyres done at the same time to make your car completely legal problem solved
hvac guy wrote:Wow just wow. Another thread gone to shit.
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