90K Service Beware

[Froggy]

thanks froggymicb - Lee's gone home for day but will try tomorrow.

I am hoping to get my manifold checked at the same time - is it worth pursuing if the only symptom so far is high fuel economy? its done 90,000 and the only alarm bell in service history is at 60k - service note that blowing lots of black smoke from exhaust - remedied with an ECU update (fuel system) and test.

No problems mate!
If they are adjusting the tappets they should clean the manifold (already half way there). I know lee did that at 120,000 on mine

[Duck]

Hey Adam try Aspley Auto for aquote on Zillmere road North Brisbane he has been my mechanic for my last 3 triton's & he does a great job at a great price, replaces stuff that needs replacing, if its OK leave it alone, asks you if you want genuine or aftermarket parts & will suggest which bits he would do genuine & which he would not really down to earth & will not stitch you up.

[jester]

Just had 90k service today.
grease oil and filter change, cleaned and reoiled finer filter, replaced fuel filter, engine management system diagnostic check. pressure test engine cooling system, inspect, cooling system hoses, drained flushed out and refilled cooling system.
changed gearbox and transfer case oils, changed front and rear diff oils, inspect brakes and adjust where needed, drained flushed and refilled hydrolic brake system.
checked front and rear suspension and steering for wear and alignment issues.
checked all tyres for wear and correct pressures.
checked all under bonnet fluid levels, checked all lights, wipers and horn operation, road test vehicle and report.
repaired bash plate bolts rusted and broken off.

oil filter $38.50
sump plug gasket $2.50
windscreen washer additive $1.00
wynns professional service program $39.50
penrite synthetic transmission oil $74.80
penrite 90 lsd diff oil $56.70
a/c delco engine coolent $44.00
brake fluid $16.00
fuel filter $43.60
finer filter cleaning fluids $9.10
labour $397.35
total $723.05

there was no mention of tapet adjustment done, just wondering how important this is? should i go chase it up and get it done or just not worry about it?

[adamhunt1]

Hey Jester - was it a dealer service or a standard mechanic?

[jester]

it was my standard mechanic, vehicle no longer under warrenty so i dont see a need to use the dealer, unless i really have to.

[gregned]

Hey Jester
Re the clearance check.
If it was my car I would chase it up, if the clearance is too tight it could lead to a burnt valve.

Greg

[jester]

ok, after talking to my mechanic, and he did some ringing around to double check, he has come back to me and said that the valve clearence check is an audiable one, as the valves are bucket and shim, so there isn`t actually anything to adjust with out replacing the sleeves ( i think he said) he said if i really want him to he can pull it all open, but the book and his contact said it is only an audiable one. can anyone either confirm or deny this is correct?

[gregned]

Audible check won't pick up a valve with inadequate valve clearance only one with excessive clearance.

[NTBB]

Not a bucket and shim set up jetster.
They do need checking IMO

[coxy47]

Definitely do need checking jester and as far as I'm aware they are adjustable. They need to be set to something in the range of 0.05mm or some other fraction of a mm. Can't remember what the workshop manual says exactly.

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[Lee-thal]

The are DEFINATELY not Bucket and Shim in the Diesel Tritons. They are Adjustable. Dont know who he spoke to but they obviously dont know what they are talking about.

[snowman]

as others have said i went to my recent service mechanic and got this response...

"The valve clearances on your Triton are adjustable by screw & nut adjusters. They were reset to specification & 4 were found slightly loose. With a diesel engine you would not really notice much in the way of noise reduction. At West End Diesel ‘valve clearance adjustments’ are that by a physical adjustment.
I can only comment on your engine which is a 4M41, which definitely is adjustable as noted in the service schedule operation F adjust valve clearances."

I am no mechanic but in my opinion i could hear no difference in noise even though 4 were loose before adjustment.

i would ensure that this work was done properly and certainly would not PAY for an 'audible check'.

[jester]

ok thanks guys. general concensous....get them checked and adjusted. back to the mechanic it goes.

[irwazza]

Quoted $1150 for this service for my ML at my local dealership. Will definently be trying my luck with getting new manifolds

[Evo_Triton]

Im sure ML has a timing chain and MN has a belt.

yes ur right, mostly!

ML 4M41 3.2L Has a timing chain.
ML 4D56 2.5L Has a timing belt.

MN 4D56 2.5L Has a timing belt.
MN 4D56HP 2.5L Has a timing belt.

Im a technician at a mitsu dealer in melb south east suburbs and a new triton owner, i am in the middle of talking and trying to implement a service and parts discount for members here, with my service manager and parts manager, so stay tuned.

[Joe]

Good job evo

[Cowboy Dave]

Yeah good job. I am but my wallet is

[adamhunt1]

Following my 90k service on 2.5 ML (which didn't end up with a valve adjustment as apparently MMA don't have the parts in Australia to do?), the old girl still wasn't running right. Just struggled with everything from highway to hill and sounded like it was gasping. Back to stealer, and after pushing and pushing for manifold check, lo and behold they run a diagnostic and find the engine running "super hot" though the dash guage is not showing any change. After more pushing, they found a crack in the radiator and can't tell me how long its been there, but basically said that its not good at all. I have convinced them to do a full compression check etc to see if any other damage has been done. Luckily so far under warranty (including new steering column) but I am really worried about long term damage due to driving around with the engine overheating essentially.

Question - what should I get them to check to pick up any damage from overheating?

[samos69]

Just to add to this, my ML 3.2 auto is at 89kms and I just rang the local dealer in Wellington to price the 90km service. They want $1080+GST ($1242 incl).

The service manager said that it was 4.5 hours labour which included valve clearance adjustment.

Parts:
Oil, fuel and air filters
Coolant flush
Brake fluid flush
Front and rear diff oil change
G/box oil change
Engine oil change

And its due a WOF..

Ouch.

[andyj]

Just to add to this, my ML 3.2 auto is at 89kms and I just rang the local dealer in Wellington to price the 90km service. They want $1080+GST ($1242 incl).

The service manager said that it was 4.5 hours labour which included valve clearance adjustment.

Parts:
Oil, fuel and air filters
Coolant flush
Brake fluid flush
Front and rear diff oil change
G/box oil change
Engine oil change

And its due a WOF..

Ouch.

That's about right I paid that about 3 years ago in Alice springs.......

[Kgi]

Im sure ML has a timing chain and MN has a belt.

yes ur right, mostly!

ML 4M41 3.2L Has a timing chain.
ML 4D56 2.5L Has a timing belt.

MN 4D56 2.5L Has a timing belt.
MN 4D56HP 2.5L Has a timing belt.

Im a technician at a mitsu dealer in melb south east suburbs and a new triton owner, i am in the middle of talking and trying to implement a service and parts discount for members here, with my service manager and parts manager, so stay tuned.

Hey mate how did you go with the deal as my 90k service is comming up very quickly!

[samos69]

Just to add to this, my ML 3.2 auto is at 89kms and I just rang the local dealer in Wellington to price the 90km service. They want $1080+GST ($1242 incl).

The service manager said that it was 4.5 hours labour which included valve clearance adjustment.

Parts:
Oil, fuel and air filters
Coolant flush
Brake fluid flush
Front and rear diff oil change
G/box oil change
Engine oil change

And its due a WOF..

Ouch.

That's about right I paid that about 3 years ago in Alice springs.......

Turns out my dealer is awesome - they checked all the fluids and said that the g/box and diffs were clean and didn't need changing so they would defer until the next service. Given my brakes had been done 12 months ago when I got the discs skimmed and I fitted a K&N the whole service + WOF was only $780 total...

They also asked if it was chipped as they noticed it had a bit more pull than the others they drive every day

[Thommo3337]

My mate just had his done and the computer said that the past two tapper adjustments at 30 and 60 haven't been logged on the computer even though he has paid for it! Does this mean they haven't been done or just hadn't been logged on the computer as done?

[RHKTriton]

The 30k Valve adjustment is a con (over servicing), pulling all the gear off to get to the valves is upping the chance for other problems - eg. leaks, contamination, etc.

I recently had the valves done at 96k and two inlets were very slightly out. If you don't drive your unit like an Italian sports car, you won't need the Italian type service routine.

If you want to save some money on servicing, brake & clutch fluid replacing is a relatively simple job with two people - about half hour mission.

The diffs and transmission oils are also not a big challenge with proper prep.

For me self-serv. allows confirmation that tasks are actually done and good opportunity to give the underside a detailed inspection for damage, etc. All part of 4-wheeling.

[laurie27]

Im sure ML has a timing chain and MN has a belt.

yes ur right, mostly!

ML 4M41 3.2L Has a timing chain.
ML 4D56 2.5L Has a timing belt.

MN 4D56 2.5L Has a timing belt.
MN 4D56HP 2.5L Has a timing belt.

Im a technician at a mitsu dealer in melb south east suburbs and a new triton owner, i am in the middle of talking and trying to implement a service and parts discount for members here, with my service manager and parts manager, so stay tuned.

Can anyone help me on weather the ML 3.5v6 has a timing chain or a belt?
Thanks in advance