al coholic wrote:Homer wrote:^^^best post on the entire thread here BG...except for this one:Quinny67 wrote:Daryn... move it to a new thread called ...
BUY A V6 you big handbag carrying girls
How are your performance mods coming along there Homer???? Happy still with being beaten by 4cyl oilers are ya????
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Informed factual discussion is all good
I for one have chip it on on MN have done 10,000 km not one problem but have a open mind to all othewr options
Cheers
Kool
EDIT: sorry.. and can you run the steinbauer without the throttle position thing? does it require a cut.. I assume this mean the Sprint Booster wont work either (dealbreaker for me )
I wouldn’t mind trying the various power settings on the Steinbauer... does yours have this Brendan?
do you guys move it around or find there's a 'sweet spot' like I have found with my supplied chipIT tunes.. or let me guess you just run it at max and thats it
al coholic wrote:I didnt make it up tho g-mac...........its all in this thread............word for word from Naff and Ironhide Well............almost word for word..
ITS TRUE. NO BS here Ironside.ironhide wrote: Thats if your info is correct.
A little excercise in Common Rails technology. The Pump spins up a pressure ... always the same ... no extra labour ... more than factory pump is ever asked to produce. The ECU controls the pressure by adjusting a relief or valve. The less bleed off, the more pressure the rail has and the more fuel an open injector orifice will emit.ironhide wrote: YOU try to confuse us by saying the ecu controls the fuel pressure, yes but the chip it is then modifying it true!
We develop more power and power comes from fuel. By giving folks to right/ability to tune much higher than Steinbauyer or others of course you will get some cars to blow smoke. In fact I could get all to blow smoke if I give them all too much. Gee its not that hard to understand is it?ironhide wrote: Now you also say the steinbauer puts the fuel in at the end of the combustion process, SO WHY is it that the chip it utes blow smoke
gregned wrote:ironhide wrote: And yes the steinbauer module will slow the signal down as it processes the info, but so do all the modules! What the!
Ok Say on acceleration propagation delay is 5 ms you would be getting 5 ms delay on every injection cycle on every cylinder.
I would be getting 5ms on the pump and thats it.ironhide wrote:I also believe that the steinbauer actually places fuel in earlier in some parts of the cycle, thats why they inprove the response down low in the rev range, so its not just at the end of the combustion cycle. Oh, and yes, a sensor pics up what the motor is reporting or doing, and sends it to the ecu I believe.
Sorry did you just say preemptive injection timing? Not without moving the opto on the crank.
from SB website
Real Timing
– the actual beginning and end of injection timing - is not achieved by any "chip" available for diesel engines today. It's misleading to suggest so. With Steinbauer, duration is achieved by adding pulse width to a signal, i.e. at end of injection. This is not changing timing. That's best left to the factory ECU
borngeek wrote::lol: Well all you back seaters with pop corn, choc tops and beer enjoy as I think its a worthy discussion.
I have further questions relating to firstly heat and second the MN turbo.
Steinbauer build this 10 second detune thing in as std. ChipIT has not. So if I were to 'upgrade' my DPS215 to enable this similar idea but more advanced 'feature' what would it cost? Do I have to pay to expand from 2 channels to 4 as well as pay for the probe and display gear.. a different loom.. and then install it all.. Installing a EGT probe requires some skills.. So theres a bit of $ to spend on install too..
My temps (coolant) get VERY high under big loads.. (range from 77-109degrees ) - the chip is causing this as it did not happen before the chip and I have disabled to confirm this. I wont be upping my boost till I have a EGT guage.
Will you guys supply extra 'detuned' tunes? The ones supplied dont really range up and down the scale in terms of power.. They are mainly aimed at diff setups (auto, manual, exhaust, blanks etc). We can pony up for "PRO" software to do ourselves ($880 extra).. or book a custom tuning session at $x/hour. Can i bring my trailer, go 4wding, go for a run on the hightway and a run thru the city in this time to create a tune for each scenario easily? (and a 'detune' for each..)
I realise Steinbauer doesnt give this much customisation at all, I think the discussion can show the differences so people can make a decision based on budget, power requirements, features etc.
Variable turbo.. What is chipIT doing to the MN turbo boost (increase by how much). Is it bad practice as suggested by ironhide?
Are the MN's engines having more issues with the chipIT relative to the ML??
Although the steinbauer only increases power up to 20% vs chipIT up to 40% (claimed by both parties) both are pretty impressive performance gains in fact. Possibly 20% would suit some people.? Especially if they dont have to install EGT probes, cut MAP wires, pony up $$ on channel upgrades and installation and the like to get all the features working..
cheers, BG
EDIT: sorry.. and can you run the steinbauer without the throttle position thing? does it require a cut.. I assume this mean the Sprint Booster wont work either (dealbreaker for me )
//Thanks for the cleanup Daryn
ultimate wrote:I personally favour the Steinbauer unit as it has proven to be more reliable ...
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