ChipIt & EcuTek Discussion

[daryn]

The above was refering to the dealer cannot wipe your interceptor chip tunes. The comments have been moderater altered when merging threads.
To clarify yes the dealer can wipe your re map tune if the ecu is unlocked. In which case it appears mitsubishi ecutek remaps are unlocked.(I will 100% clarify this next week) I know previously some other vehicles that had the remap had there ecu's locked which pissed off a lot cutomers as they were not able to unlock the ecu and were not able to use other brands of ecu read / write software after ecutek.

Salt I am not misleading anybody!

I gave my opinion on what I think. What you reccomend is great and I am happy for you.
The interceptors have come along way, especially the chip it module which now comes with the map sensor plugs so no more splicing and is a true plug and play interceptor. I still stand by what I say about the re map being a better option.
There are new options for the remap which I am not familar with yet, but I will speak to Brett from MRT next week and get the run down on all the new features for the triton.

Rhodes, no comments have been moderator altered. I take those remarks very seriously and false accusations will not go down well. If you have a concern with our moderation you can address that via the appropriate channels as stated in our forum guidelines.

[Tony]

rhodes96,
I find your post very interesting and most informative from the ECUtec side.


Just curious, what walk of life do you come from? Where do you get the such accurate information on both products and others?
Have you personally ever run an intelligent diesel chip with the negative feed back you seem to generate?

If you must ask, yes I'm in the know. Been around the diesel industry since 1984 and have personally had dealings with various chips and tunes including my own Had a little bit to do with petrol engine management too. As you may be aware there is a slight difference. Only slight.
Diesel tuning aside, I'm currently setting up a full custom engine management on a Supercharged alloy V8. So I have taken it apron my self to acquire a clever little data logging tool that even has a smog sniffer. Be very interesting what we find over time.

On the Tritons, the the ECUtec appears to be unlocked so therefore does get dumped if the MUT3 gets to it. I have personally seen it

Your previous post on "self relearns' on a diesel screwing a chip..... utter rubbish sorry. When the vehicle get a major software up date, that's debatable.

[mgc_020]

Has anyone had there 3.2 Triton tuned by MRT in Sydney? Is it worth doing? What difference did it make? Thanks

[mad992]

yeah im sure its all been done

[c-dale]

Pretty sure Fridgie has had the tune done but by a mob in Brissie, I think.

[4wd26]

fridgie not through sydney though

you could ask snowman though

[Homer]

Thread moved, have a look in here mgc.

[dinos4x4]

What's the mrt tune worth

[MilkmanDan]

Interesting read this thread, lots of good debate.

I've come from petrol cars to the Triton and have done a bit of reading up on these different 'chips' and for what they are seem to be ok value for money, mostly too that a $120 eBay one is not too dissimilar and gives basically same results as a $1000 'well known tuner' one. I'm hesitant to put one on as longevity of the fuel system seems to be very little info regarding this. Also with chips I've found that a lot just blow smoke and don't really do anything, lot of pie in the sky claims on performance etc.

I am familiar with EFI stuff and have done a lot of playing with late model LS series v8s in tuning so feel more comfortable with having a dedicated program to alter parameters to what I want, have seen good results on late model diesels using Haltech interceptor, also I'm told Fcon works really well for more technical tuning but does require a bit of splicing into the loom.

[hvac guy]

The biggest problem with diesel chips most don't increase boost to fix the lower air/fuel ratio and most customers don't understand that with diesel engines rich fuel mixtures will damage the engine.
and boost must be raised to lower the egt.

[MilkmanDan]

The biggest problem with diesel chips most don't increase boost to fix the lower air/fuel ratio and most customers don't understand that with diesel engines rich fuel mixtures will damage the engine.
and boost must be raised to lower the egt.

Can you explain that a bit more, to me seems contradicting. Diesel relies on more fuel to make power, more fuel + boost would make egt higher hence adding fuel at peak torque and not across rev range to make good power? my understanding you tune more on pulse width with injectors while keeping within certain safe ranges of egt, AFR second?

[snowman]

The biggest problem with diesel chips most don't increase boost to fix the lower air/fuel ratio and most customers don't understand that with diesel engines rich fuel mixtures will damage the engine.
and boost must be raised to lower the egt.

Can you explain that a bit more, to me seems contradicting. Diesel relies on more fuel to make power, more fuel + boost would make egt higher hence adding fuel at peak torque and not across rev range to make good power? my understanding you tune more on pulse width with injectors while keeping within certain safe ranges of egt, AFR second?

opposite to petrol engines, more fuel in a diesel means more heat and high EGT's. So to significantly increase power you need to increase air as well.

[hvac guy]

no matter where u put more fuel in map u need to increase the afr as well to keep the egt lower
unlike petrol engines where increasing fuel in the map will give lower temps with the afr decreasing and a little bit of extra grunt.

A diesel engine is happy with high air fuel mixture, (To a point) as boost would fall away.
also no ignition timing to adjust to help control combustion in a diesel they use injector
timing. some makers have a fixed system unlike the triton which must be relearned from time to time.
or sql as they call it.

[MilkmanDan]

Thanks for that info mate, makes bit more sense now

[Homer]

Dan, these diesels benefit hugely from a good chip setup compared to the petrol engines you have experienced. Extremely easy bolt on horsepower etc probably similar to fitting a blower to a petrol engine only adjustable.

Don't be fooled. There is one brand chip that is way ahead of the rest ATM. IMO I'd stay away from pretty much any other chip on these engines.

There is one brand in particular (a forum sponsor on here) that provides some ridiculous gains with very good combination setups (you can choose what performance you are after and they can supply to suit - mild to wild) that are quite safe if you talk to the right person and don't scrimp on the associated components required.

The only issues you will come across with one of these is if you have some inherent problem with your engine, SCV etc...they are quickly found with a performance mod and is sometimes blamed on the chip etc.

My recommendation is to buy it new from the supplier (2nd hand can possibly be problematic) and get exactly what they tell you to get - don't make your own decision on that!

Then you will get quality backup service by some very clever guys who will bend over backwards to help you - if you do what I suggest and not delete some items or play around with the setup thinking you may know better

I've driven a couple and they can be very close to V8 performance....no BS!

I'd be going significantly milder than that if it was me though can't afford clutches, autos and CV's

[MilkmanDan]

A mates Colorado sits around 146rwkw with the Haltech setup, I'm not rubbishing the 'chips' just know that a lot of claims etc by these companies that sell a product to up rail pressures have no real substance other than a hack copy of someone else's product (one guy the Hilux boys love comes to mind)

[Homer]

That's not the case with the sponsors chip...146kw....that's easy

One difference with a decent "chip" (and 'chip' is just a description I am using as they have come out with complete tune/combo packages) is that they can't be overwritten by the dealers which happens pretty regularly with 'tunes'.

The new 'chip' technology allows almost a complete tuning product...in some cases more in depth than other style tuning.

I'm not trying to promote or rubbish any option. Just providing accurate information on what really is available as opposed to rumor and the experiences of some who bought unreliable products or from poor operators.

The choice is everyone's to make, I'm just giving a bit of non biased info...I have neither...I have a V6...but I do know what is out there and what works

[hvac guy]

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=10115&hilit=chip+it+injector

have a look in here for some more info this one does not raise the rail pressure but modifys the duration of the injector. There are reasons why people like the chips and it because of being able to hide engine mods,
with an after market ecu then their goes any chance of warranty as well as cost involved for a haltech etc

[Thommo3337]

I was told by a reputable 4wd store to only use a chip which they will give a warranty if the chip causes any damage to your car they will fix free of charge. It is up to Mitsubishi to prove that it was the chip that caused the damage. Do these tunes/chips that have been getting discussed have a backed warranty if so which ones? What are the prices of these tunes/chips roughly for an mn? Thanks with all the extra weight on my car am thinking about the chips/tunes and I don't want to void the warranty. Will probably start with the sprint booster.

[srb]

I started with sprintbooster before chipit... Now I have both I hardly ever use the sprintbooster. There's a lot you can do to improve the reliability and performance of these motors.

[GWOUD]

Just a note, to let South Aussie members know, who may be interested in the Ecutek option.
S&J Auto are now concentrating on the Ecutek tuning for Subaru's & Evo's only, and have appointed 2 new agents, one north and one south of Adelaide.
I don't know the northern agents name or address but do know the name of the southern agent - Brett West - from Graham West Auto, 668 Marion Road, Parkholme. Sean used my car to train up the new agents.
I have had business dealings with Graham West Auto's for 20 years & happily recommend them to anyone who is considering the Ecutek tuning system for their Trident or needs a good mechanic to service their car.
Brett did enquire whether my rig was for sale when he took the Ecutek tuning on, but was told "NO!", so he went out and bought the 2012 model GLXR, in the same Ironbark colour.
He has been to my shop already showing me some new mods he has done to his rig for testing purposes. A very knowledgeable gentleman, who has been in the "Car hot up Industry" for a very long time.
Another of my customers, with an older ML went and used Brett and came back and said "he wished he had done a ecutek tune 100k early as his "new" Trident is better than his company supplied Amarock.

My personal motto is - "you don't recommend dickheads to anyone!!!"

[fridgie]

Triton not trident

[GWOUD]

It was 6.30 in the morning, I was having enough problems getting the grammar correct.
I stand corrected - Sorry Mr Fridge!!

[fridgie]

All good mate

[Titon]

Hey, just tripped over the chip discussion vs programming the factory computer (Ecutek)
Some interesting discussion from users
Given that we do tunes and chips all day, I figured we would offer some information for those interested

Chips have a place and work well
Factory tuning offers much more access and no holds barred WILL offer the most potential at all levels

CHIPS
Regardless of which "Box" you use, it is the Numbers in the box that make the result, so it is entirely dependent on the programmer (Any Chip)
Using a chip offers the advantage of removal any time, as it is i a separate electronic box wired to modify signals from sensors so as to "trick" your factory computer into running different fuelling.
(Some chips drive injectors themselves, so this is another method)
Some chips also offer full custom tune ability and do it well for similar cost. These can also do boost control and trick electronic throttle to reduce torque control strategies programmed into the computer
(All chips suffer limitations overcoming factory computer internal strategies)

ECUTEK
Again, it is the numbers in the computer that determine the result, so it is entirely dependent on the programmer.
Ecutek offers the advantage of being invisible, having no reliability issues with connectors or wiring and most importantly for this comparison, it has access to literally thousands of tables and values that effect how the car drives, accelerates, protects itself from damage and the list goes on. As a technician and specialist, this is the hands down no brainer if you wish to create the best potential result and it simply amounts to the skills of the programmer to acheive the best power / Torque / economy / reliability and enjoyment.
(No this is not a bias claim, just fact from a technicians perspective who sees and uses all platforms)

Whatever power a chip achieves, tuning the factory computer can better it but no competent tuner would aim to simply better the power output in competition with another tuner or chip when it simply risks damage.
Do you believe that listening to clients needs and custom building a program that in all cases seeks to achieve the desired outcome whilst protecting the engine rather than risking it just to try and make it faster than one at risk would seem logical and ethical?

Any tuner has a preference, usually that with which they are most familiar with.
Any technician at heart will see the merit of each and enjoy making the best outcome of whatever is chosen.
The choice and reasons of which to use lies in the hands of the purchaser and be it a chip or tune, your end satisfaction must be the focus of your supplier.

Hope that offers some insight to those who were previously unsure