Cooling System Service Campaign

[kxboss]

I got a Check engine light and overheat on the MN 2012. now needs ANOTHER new motor, original motor replaced at 80000k the replacement motor is now on 40000k old and has shit Dealer tells me new motor.
No symptoms just got engine light and checked it witht The EDS scanguage thing on the dash and overheat code 120 degrees. I had been getting ABS and ASC lights but didnt stay on. Anyone else on the second replacement motor.

need to say that the first replacement motor was a short engine and the used the original head afteR machining IT??

[Longranger1]

Mate, at this rate you'll have a ute that'll last forever....

Good luck with it.

[bigjobs]

kxboss, have you been told if you'll get a long motor this time?

[kxboss]

Hoping for long motor with a short wait,does anyone know what happens with warranty on a new motor

[furious]

start all over again on any new parts. second hand part will have a 3 month warranty or I'm led to believe the balance of the existing warranty, but i'm not sure if thats true.

[bigjobs]

My understanding is that it would just be balance of remaining warranty, even on complete new motor.

That is what normally occurs with any work done under warranty.

I never actually asked, but I would assume that you don't get another 5yrs or whatever.

[borngeek]

There is little chance of a long motor. They're simply not producing them as the MQ is out and that's the end of it.

Mitsubishi have a very thin defence, if any at all, on not replacing failed engines no matter the warranty status. They're all failing and they're very much aware that they are.

[BillMcQuade]

They're all failing and they're very much aware that they are.

I feel that "all" is a slight exaggeration, and unnecessarily alarmist.

[NowForThe5th]

Geek, you are aware that the MQ Triton/L200/Strada still has the 4D56 motor in some markets?

http://mmpc.ph/model-line-up/

Even has LSD.

[borngeek]

Is it?
There are people on two replacement engines and it's alarmist??

Full respect, Bill, but those are the facts mate.

They all not built to withstand the Vgt178 and are failing one by one. The pressurised litmus test is a disaster too.

Plenty of short engines and new radiators sitting in mmal's warehouse at the ready. They know...

[ag9111]

Jees geek. You are so full of it

[borngeek]

Buyers justification speaking?

[ag9111]

No
Just somebody who is sick of you carrying on like a pork chop. spreading untruths and stirring up shit

[borngeek]

What's not true?

[borngeek]

Geek, you are aware that the MQ Triton/L200/Strada still has the 4D56 motor in some markets?

http://mmpc.ph/model-line-up/

Even has LSD.

Nope didn't know that, however I do read the bulletin in the recent ASA (parts database used by Mitsu) when you click on a long engine for a MN 2.5vgt - as in I have entered a current VIN number of an Australian MN (they're called many things outside Australia)

Says not available outside production period.

There is very little chance that mmal will supply long engines. They're worth almost the same as the cars worth as an insurance write off.

Also know for a fact they can ship a short engine same day from the warehouse once your money clears...

Thems are the facts.

[NowForThe5th]

No doubt. Just making the point that since AFAIK all 5th Generation production is in Thailand and if some still have the 4D56/4D56T then it's MMAL's decision not to carry long motors, rather than that they're not available.

[Stoneman]

Like arguing with my with what I've read

She's always know best!....I found it best not to even bother

[Stoneman]

No doubt. Just making the point that since AFAIK all 5th Generation production is in Thailand and if some still have the 4D56/4D56T then it's MMAL's decision not to carry long motors, rather than that they're not available.

For all we know fifth if the public can get to it or anyone can that's not affiliated with them I would take it with a grain of salt

If it's not an important database that gets used everyday or directly related to ordering stock I doubt it reflects what's actually going on behind the scenes

From my understanding if a car manufacturer had everything on the shelves they could not store it

A percentage of stock is distributed or in transit or manufacturing

I wouldn't be going off any info from a bloody bulletin

[Cowboy Dave]

While I don't necessarily agree with Geek, he is talking about the Mitsubishi parts database and a Mitsubishi internal bulletin. Is it publicly available? Well it's not supposed to be, but these things get hacked and a determined user can obtain it and install it.

[NowForThe5th]

Stoneman, I don't think there is any dispute over what the database is reporting in terms of availability in Australia and I wasn't disputing that with Geek - just his statement that with the advent of the 5th Generation the 4D56 was discontinued. He acknowledged that, so no problem.

As for the availability of information there are a number of portals which allow access to manufacturer parts stock information. I use a couple of these quite regularly for parts ordering at work. They give me stock levels/availability which I need to enable scheduling of jobs in the shop. It's the same information that the dealers have but through my wholesaler who doesn't charge dealer prices and is available to all their trade customers. By entering a VIN I can look up any part on that vehicle, just as Geek has. I don't get to see dealer pricing but I can get list prices and, of course, my buying prices.

Personally I don't subscribe to the notion that ALL 4D56 engines are failing/will fail. Certainly there are plenty out there that have not. However, we don't have access to any kind of hard information on the numbers/percentages that have failed and I think that our perceptions may be skewed somewhat by the fact that we tend to hear more about the failures than otherwise, since a forum like this is where people head when they have problems. That the numbers are significant I wouldn't argue, but not all.

[RHKTriton]

I still find it amazing that a range of engine serial numbers haven't been established to ID the crook ones.

I noticed my son's mn (bought from used car dealer) has a higher pressure radiator cap, so suspect it may have been through the campaign.

I'm considering that if it has run under this state for a significant period without failure, it should be smart to return everything to original spec for the long term.

[srb]

I'm not sure why we're getting wound up by Geeks theory... He could be completely right... You just don't know.

I'm more leaning towards Geeks doom and gloom theory atm but at the same time I want to believe my engine is safe.
But given the large amount of engines that have failed I'd be foolish to think so.

If Geeks theory is true then there's obviously some engines that are worse off than others, some pop with very low km's and some with high km's. The quality of the block surface must vary between engine to engine so I guess it's why some last longer than others... And also that Mitsubishi have implemented the higher pressure rad cap to help weed out the weaker ones.

Meh.. I don't really worry anymore.. I know the warning signs and I'm confident that I'll pick up the issue and limp home before it's too late anyway. I'm waaaaaay more concerned about holing a piston from a blown an injector atm.

Mines a double tick tick boom!

[bigjobs]

I would suggest that reverting back to pre-campaign specs, without also flashing ecu to same, may be counter productive.

Just leave it as is, if it eventually fails, then at least they can't use the fact it's out of spec as a reason to deny any claim on warranty.

[srb]

Yeah that's definitely good advice, Bigjobs.

But in my situation there's no way I'd have them run the campaign on mine. I don't want mine detuned.

Also it then becomes less reliable. If mine eventually pops I'll deal with it myself. I understand that this attitude won't suit everyone.

[bodia]

I have two mates with MN tritons and one with a challenger. None have ever heard about this campaign but all have the higher rated radiator cap. Ignorance is definitely bliss!!