Homer wrote:...don't go the rear locker option if you intend to go hard off road.
mattnewbie wrote:If you want to go hard core get the rear d/l and be prepared to get the front d/l or just forget the whole exercise..
al coholic wrote:LOOK!!!!
You blokes are simply taking this off track now I have been watching the new 4wdaction DVD and my mate ROOTHY says if its not a live axle 40 or 60 series Toyota truck with front and rear lockers.....forget it!!! Simple as that.....you are kidding yourself otherwise.
His mate Don gets stuck in a boggy mudhole halway up a hill at Coff's.......now it wasnt the fact that Don cant drive for shite or Roothy's crappy guiding of him up the hill........no no no. It was the Prado's fault wasnt it!!!
Its 4wdaction............so it must be true!!!
Q7. Which end should I fit first? (if buying one)
This is dependent on the vehicle, its existing diff types, the type of suspension system and the model availability. However the front is usually the first choice.
a. If the vehicle is an IFS (Independent Front Suspension) model then the front fitment will result in the greatest increase in 4WD ability. This is because all IFS vehicles have very limited suspension movement (hence limited wheel travel and articulation) resulting in easily lifted wheels and total loss of front traction. Fitting a LOKKA to the front will solve this serious deficiency. (Pajero, Isuzu, 4Runner, B2600 etc)
b. If a vehicle has a good quality LSD in the rear, then a front fitment will obviously provide the best total traction ie one locker and one LSD is better than one locker and one standard diff. (GQ)
c. If a vehicle has a poor quality LSD then the issue becomes less clear and personal preference or ease of installation often become the more important criteria. However one LSD and one locker is still a better choice - if that is possible. (Landcruiser, Hilux, F100/150)
d. If the vehicle is a constant 4WD then a rear fitment is the easiest and best solution (Landcruiser 80,100 series etc)
e. A front fitment will actually yield the greatest improvement in off road ability. This is because, most vehicles require the increase in traction (that a locker gives) when hill climbing. Under hill climbing conditions, due to the angle of the vehicle, the rear wheels are carrying a much greater weight (weight transfer) and the front wheels are therefore carrying a lessor weight and tend to break traction very easily. Once one front wheel starts to spin, the other front wheel stops turning and the whole front diff ceases to provide traction. At this point all load is transferred onto the rear as if it were a 2WD and due to the increased load the rear wheels are encouraged to spin and the vehicle stops.
If you can solve the problem of the front wheels spinning, you have solved the traction problem. Another advantage is that on road there are no changes to normal driving characteristics at all.
toyota man wrote:anyone had the standard locker fitted by mitts or do they even fit it to a used ute?
Mattstruck wrote:Whats that about? No compressor? Pricing?
snowman wrote:Mattstruck wrote:Whats that about? No compressor? Pricing?
http://www.oppositelock.com.au/index.php?action=prodcatalogue&form_name=view_product&category_id=382&product_id=2944&pageID=10062§ionID=0
this will probably start a debate as well. the only thing you can't argue is that you only need to find a location for one switch on the dash.
They are not cheaper and you don't get a compressor.
Joe wrote:snowman wrote:Mattstruck wrote:Whats that about? No compressor? Pricing?
http://www.oppositelock.com.au/index.php?action=prodcatalogue&form_name=view_product&category_id=382&product_id=2944&pageID=10062§ionID=0
this will probably start a debate as well. the only thing you can't argue is that you only need to find a location for one switch on the dash.
They are not cheaper and you don't get a compressor.
But they're not ARB either
Have you had any prices for installation yet snowy?
Mattstruck wrote:TAKE NOTE:
Guru Steane has spoken from the temple:
This will end all debate. Mods may now lock this thread
The Triton owners code
If you have the rear LSD in an ML then never admit it's not as good as the rear locker. It's better and you know it. If someone tells you differently then feel compelled to correct them. They'll most likely be an ignorant prick anyway.
If you have a rear locked ML, then just remember that it only cost $700 so it doesn't matter if the front locker is better although it will crap you off immensely. Just be grateful you didn't get the LSD. Although if you did get the LSD it would of course be better than the rear locker and you'd have saved $700... So you are screwed either way you look at it.
If you have TC, then it's always better than a locker because you weren't smart enough to tick that option.
If you have TC and a locker, then you'll never work out which is best, but it doesn't matter because you have both. You'll talk lovingly about the TC while trying to work out how to disconnect the stupid thing.
If you have a rear LSD and a front locker, then you know it would have been better if you spent the $700 on a rear locker as well, but you'd immediately remind yourself that the LSD is superior (don't forget this!), and costs $700 less.
If you have a front and rear locker then everyone else can go get stuffed.
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