ironhide wrote:Sorry guys, I dont mean to be rude, but are you very slow or to stubborn to look outside of the window and do some research! All your problems come from the chip it system. Ask anyone who knows a little about the mitsubishi motors and will also confirm what I have previously said. Our motors have many sensors built in to pick up any problems that may occur, to prevent any damage. Other vechile or models may work differently, I dont know. Some of the mitsubishi sensors are: Sensors in the turbo that pick up over heating and boost pressure, pressure sensor in the fuel common rail, intake and exhaust pressure, and oxygen sensors, plus, plus, plus!!! Due to the way chip it alters the system, it pretty much stuffs up all of these sensors eventually. So after all the problems you are having, does it at least click in your mind that maybee it's the problem and not mitsubishi that you keep trying to blame??? The DP chip system is even worse. Thats why I chose the steinbauer module as it is tuned not to alter and affect these sensors. The extra $ 400 doesnt seam like much difference in your pocket now does it??? get over the problems and upgrade boys. My steinbauer has never missed a beat or thrown any problems, just hauls arse away from the rest.
NaffX214 wrote:ironhide wrote:Sorry guys, I dont mean to be rude, but are you very slow or to stubborn to look outside of the window and do some research! All your problems come from the chip it system. Ask anyone who knows a little about the mitsubishi motors and will also confirm what I have previously said. Our motors have many sensors built in to pick up any problems that may occur, to prevent any damage. Other vechile or models may work differently, I dont know. Some of the mitsubishi sensors are: Sensors in the turbo that pick up over heating and boost pressure, pressure sensor in the fuel common rail, intake and exhaust pressure, and oxygen sensors, plus, plus, plus!!! Due to the way chip it alters the system, it pretty much stuffs up all of these sensors eventually. So after all the problems you are having, does it at least click in your mind that maybee it's the problem and not mitsubishi that you keep trying to blame??? The DP chip system is even worse. Thats why I chose the steinbauer module as it is tuned not to alter and affect these sensors. The extra $ 400 doesnt seam like much difference in your pocket now does it??? get over the problems and upgrade boys. My steinbauer has never missed a beat or thrown any problems, just hauls arse away from the rest.
Sorry to burst your bubble chief, the Steinbauer does the same as the Chip It. It reads from sensors, passes them through the chip where they are amplified and passes them to the ECU. No chips actually physically affect any sensors. And to rub salt in the wound, we had an MN with a Steinbauer throw a limpy on the weekend meetup. Was it due to the Steinbauer? Who knows? All Steinbauer does is alter more readings, for what effect, again who knows.
I've said it elsewhere, these chips, any brand, are highlighting inherent errors in the engine, likely bringing them to the surface earlier than if the chips weren't installed.
NaffX214 wrote:Right so.. both chips 'recalculate' and the result is more fuel. Whether it's before or after the ECU, is there more fuel being calculated with the addition of the chip or not? In which case, the motor does more 'work' or as you put it 'added pressure'.
ironhide wrote:All i was pointing out is the difference between how the modules work, and that the steinbauer seems to be a lot safer and with no problems that any one can clearly show. I thought this is a forum site right? so Im putting my views and knowledge accross so others can make their own decision, and not a mistake .
NaffX214 wrote:ironhide wrote:All i was pointing out is the difference between how the modules work, and that the steinbauer seems to be a lot safer and with no problems that any one can clearly show. I thought this is a forum site right? so Im putting my views and knowledge accross so others can make their own decision, and not a mistake .
That's fine - but you can't go around calling people stubbon or tight-arsed without backing yourself with factual data.
My chip only plugs into the fuel rail. So as far as I'm aware, only the fuel is being altered. I haven't opted to connect the MAP sensor or do the boost option. I haven't had any issues. Just like you have not had issues with your Steinbauer. So there's no argument, if it were between just you and me. I got a chip at half (probably a third) the price of you and we both get the same results.
Now if Steinbauers were installed in as many Tritons as the Chip Its, and only those with Chip Its were having problems, then your argument is quantitive. If there are 20 tritons with Chip Its and 3 are having problems, and there are 2 tritons with Steinbauers and 1 has experienced a problem, what are the better odds? We are talking Tritons here, not utes in the outback. To have a proper argument, the statistics have to be equal.
It's not about being 'tight' either. If you can get an equal product for less, you are being financially smart. Has anybody proved, without a doubt, that the chips are causing problems? If you unplugged a chip and the problem goes away, what are you proving? You are proving the car can run without problem at a lower standard. A lot of people have unplugged the chip and found that the problem still occurs.
ironhide wrote:NaffX214 wrote:ironhide wrote:All i was pointing out is the difference between how the modules work, and that the steinbauer seems to be a lot safer and with no problems that any one can clearly show. I thought this is a forum site right? so Im putting my views and knowledge accross so others can make their own decision, and not a mistake .
That's fine - but you can't go around calling people stubbon or tight-arsed without backing yourself with factual data.
My chip only plugs into the fuel rail. So as far as I'm aware, only the fuel is being altered. I haven't opted to connect the MAP sensor or do the boost option. I haven't had any issues. Just like you have not had issues with your Steinbauer. So there's no argument, if it were between just you and me. I got a chip at half (probably a third) the price of you and we both get the same results.
Now if Steinbauers were installed in as many Tritons as the Chip Its, and only those with Chip Its were having problems, then your argument is quantitive. If there are 20 tritons with Chip Its and 3 are having problems, and there are 2 tritons with Steinbauers and 1 has experienced a problem, what are the better odds? We are talking Tritons here, not utes in the outback. To have a proper argument, the statistics have to be equal.
It's not about being 'tight' either. If you can get an equal product for less, you are being financially smart. Has anybody proved, without a doubt, that the chips are causing problems? If you unplugged a chip and the problem goes away, what are you proving? You are proving the car can run without problem at a lower standard. A lot of people have unplugged the chip and found that the problem still occurs.
I would just like to know how much you guys have really paid$?? Mine was $1280 installed, and thats buy a expert who installs them everyday. I guess you took the tight way and ordered it over the net or over the phone, and frigged with it installing it yourself! So compare a installed apple with another installed apple please! So who has the back up when things go wrong? I was quotted nearly $1000 for a installed chip it system. Not much less. Plus, I would really like to hear from the guy with the mn who has had the prob with the steinbauer! I would say he is a fictional character in a chip it 's head. get your own facts right first mate. As for a comparision in performance, bring it on, show me some real data on what you can do, not imagine what you can do! if you havnt connected all of the extras on yours, my guess is you will be back near the hilux on the quater mile run, and thats about 5 lengths back I've checked mine out and really happy to be a lot further in front. I'm done arguing with you, I think your the one banging your head against the brick wall!!!
GLX-R MN wrote:Good advise is....Never annoy a Cowboy
ironhide wrote:Sorry GLX-R MN, I was not pointing at you. My last few comments were aimed at NaffX214 . Im also very simular in profile to you, so Im just trying to show him that there is other parts to the world, not just his backyard or situation. Sorry to offend you . I have done a great deal of research over the net on this topic, and thats why i want to share it with other Triton owners.
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