New Manual Triton Has A One Piece Tailshaft

[Eelesy]

Im know its been discussed on here somewhere but i can confirm that the new manual (09 i spose) have a one piece tailshaft.

I was just at the dealership enquiring about service prices and decided to have a look around. I crawled under one and noticed this.

Must be faily new because i had to talk to 3 reps till one had any idea what i was on about.

Anyway, my question to him was what exactly has Mitsi changed?
Is the distance between yokes the same?
Have they lowered the centre cross member?
Can a straight swap be done?

I left my details and asked if they can find out for me. he said they will get one of the new ones up on a hoist and also one of the older ones and compare measurements.

Fingers crossed he gets back to me soon, then I'll be one step closer to eliminating the shudder forever!!!

[Greedy]

Someone did post a pic awhile ago about this. I'm looking forward to their reply to you. It would also be interesting to hear $$$. I bet this might be best heard sitting down.

[Eelesy]

This is the thread the pics were posted in.

Yea when i mentioned if it would be available as a spare part if a swap is able, he did say it would more than likely be pricey.

But doesnt mean you have to buy it as a spare part, could just as easily get one made from tailshaft specialists

[Stu]

I have a feeling there is about to be alot of s/hand 2 piece triton tail shafts on ebay

[Dylan 191]

yeah i have a 2008 my09 and it has 1 piece tailshaft
does that mean lifting it would be trouble free ???
how does the warranty go with suspension mods ??

[GLX-RSilver]

It would be interesting to see whether the chassis cross member is the same, as if it was, it could be risky fitting a one piece tailshaft without checking clearance on full suspension drop.
Also wonder whether the gearbox is longer as in the photo it looks closer to the cross member so i wonder if the super select box is larger.

[Tritium]

I would say the gearbox does look longer.

[subi_man]

A mate just picked up a new manual diesel GLX-R today (from Singelton). I will have to crawl underneath and have a good look at it

[sam]

I'm pretty sure the super select is a longer unit so this would account for a one piece tailshaft so lifts should no longer be a big prob

[Blue]

I would say the gearbox does look longer.

Quite possible - longer extension housing to negate any engineering on the chassis - ie. moving/removing/modifying crossmember...

[Eelesy]

Well i hope the guy gets back to me soon, i'll be calling tomorrow anyways

[Choady]

My09 VR Manual 3.2 TD 5 Speed manual

Here are the pics from the other thread referred to below. I was posting some questions in that thread, but this one is more relevant so will continue on here.

Just so were all on the same sheet of music - I have a Sep 2008 MY09 5Spd TD Manual Super select VR purchased in Jan 09. As I alluded to in the other thread, my tailshaft is exactly as appears in these photos posted by craigs. Tailshaft comes from the gearbox, and has one piece all the way to the rear diff as per the pictures.

My questions are :-

1. is this the same tailshaft setup as per an auto (MY08 and earlier), therefore not having the shudder problems the manuals had ?
2. Would It be likely that i require the 25mm tailshaft spacer, or rotate centre bearing, 6mm gearbox spacer or castor wedges ?

Im hoping that this wont be the case !! and im sure these are burning questions many have on their mind right now. Sure would open up many more possibilities for suspension lifts for manuals without having to worry about shudder like the autos if thats the case.

I'll take some photos of my components and cross members etc and post in this thread.

[Homer]

Pretty sure (positive) you have the one piece shaft mate.

Whether it has no shudder issues with a manual is another story. The autos with a one piece are totally sweet.

The only way to tell is to wait till a 'one piecer' (the name now given to MY 09 owners - among others) gets a lift, but I reckon it would probably be OK as why else would Mits change it?

Oh maybe the super select box is same size/length as the auto and that's the reason.

[Greedy]

Choady, i think we were running around in circles before and I hope I didn't lead you too far from the truth. If you have this setup, go get yourself some springs, shocks and shackles and enjoy your higher status (and better ride) on the road. The shudder occurs in the two piece tailshafts as when the rear is lifted, it essentially drops the diff in relation to the body. This means the front part of the tailshaft stays put but the back part drops down at an increased angle in relation to the front part. This loads up the centre bearing causing the shudder. The various "fixes" are all aimed at getting the tailshaft angles around this centre bearing back in line. Go and spend your hard earned and don't forget to post pics.

[FreestyleCab]

'one piecer' (the name now given to MY 09 owners - among others)

I prefer the term bastards

[Homer]

'one piecer' (the name now given to MY 09 owners - among others)

I prefer the term bastards

That would be one of the 'others'.

Now the diesel guys know how us petrol guys feel

[Choady]

Heres a bunch of photos of the tailshaft and drivetrain components in my MY09 5spd TD for you guys to look at and provide your thoughts of it in comparison to the auto single piece tailshaft. I havent seen an auto one and am keen for your thoughts as to whether or not I may be lucky enough to avoid the shudder problems. No wonder I was so confused as to 'rotating the centre bearing' - I havent got one ! Spent ages trying to find it too.......

Driver Side rear diff tailshaft uni joint.



Driver Side mid point showing centre cross member



Driver Side front showing front cross member and superselect gearbox



Driver Side showing side profile of front cross member, front diff and front prop shaft



Passenger side shot from behind front tyre showing single piece tailshaft (yes, I know your all going to call me a bastard)



Passener side front cross member showing gearbox support mount



Passenger side showing tailshaft uni joint to rear diff



Passenger side close up of gearbox and the forwad rear prop shaft uni joint



Close up of front uni-joint of rear tailshaft



If anyon has any photos of their auto gearbox tailshafts - it would be much appreciated.

Also - Im keen to see a photo or two of the two piece tailshafts on the manual gearboxes and the mysterious centre bearing ! Never seen one of these either !

[GLX-RSilver]

There's 1 way you can fit a 1 piece tailshaft to all manual tritons i have been thinking about it for a couple of days. If you install a cardon joint at the yoke end of the tailshaft it would then make it roughly the same length as the superselect gearbox, then it's just a manner of making a one piece tailshaft from the cardon joint to the diff.
If i hadn't done my slip joint i would consider making one.
Cheers

[Homer]

Choady, your post looked like a dad showing off pics of his new baby.....look how the 'ONE PIECE TAILSHAFT" goes from the rear diff right up to the "SUPER SELECT" gearbox.... ooooh and Look here how the "ONE PIECE TAILSHAFT" uni joint looks from the passenger side, joining up to the all new "SUPER SELECT GEARBOX"

Can you hear that? It is the sound of '08 owners teeth gnashing.

[Buzzy]

Bastards!

[Choady]

Choady, your post looked like a dad showing off pics of his new baby.....look how the 'ONE PIECE TAILSHAFT" goes from the rear diff right up to the "SUPER SELECT" gearbox.... ooooh and Look here how the "ONE PIECE TAILSHAFT" uni joint looks from the passenger side, joining up to the all new "SUPER SELECT GEARBOX"

Can you hear that? It is the sound of '08 owners teeth gnashing.

HaHaHa LMAO Hey - I only mentioned the SS word once........ Just think of me as that kid that kicked the ants nest over next to your picnic and now im just disappearing into the distance..........

Na - seriously, I hope I havent upset anyone - that wasnt my intention. There were a few questions in there....trying to learn as much as I can and hopefully someone else's questions will also be answered. Im surprised it has taken so long for the Triton community to realise all this. I may have put suspension in already if I had of known but now a bit low on funds but I will be starting the inquiries anyway.

Fridge/drawers/dual battery/and a new shed may all just have to wait......Better start working on the wife too. May have to go and get stuck on the chasis somewhere on some dunes and say 'see.....if we had a suspension lift you wouldn't have to dig........"

[daryn]

Choady,

Famous words ------"Just do it"

[jop]

Keep your OPT and SS, i got a RDL........ still wish i had OPT and SS

My 14 year old paj has OPT,SS and RDL, why was it so hard to put in the Ml from the start, would shut those dirty darksiders up forever

[steve tas]

Does anyone know if the manual TD MY09 GLX model, that doesnt get super select, have a one or a two piece shaft?

I havent picked mine up yet so i cant have a look at it! was planning some suspension and lift mods down the track and was wondering if was worth staying at the factory height?

Hope this doesnt sound strange but as this is my first 'Real' 4wd I'm not 100% of the processes involved.

Thanks
Steve

[rick]

yeh mate it will be a one piece, even if it wasnt it doesnit mean you cant use a lift kit.. i have one and the shudder is only minimal for say 2 seconds on enitial take off.